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OfflineCaptBeefheart
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Is there any limit to the size of a pftek jar?
    #1225890 - 01/17/03 09:09 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I am thinking of using a large tuppware (plastic), cake sized container to make a much larger PFtek cake. Will there be any problem in producing a cake of this kind?
I can only think of one problem, if it contaminates, then I have wasted lots of spore solution in one cake. I was thinking of using about 5cc in the whole cake.
I could have just cased two smaller cakes, but I only read a Faq about casing an hour after I sterilised the big one!
Any thoughts?



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Re: Is there any limit to the size of a pftek jar? [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1225918 - 01/17/03 09:15 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'd probably start with a couple smaller jars, and then spawn them. It'll take forever for full colonization in a huge container, not to mention the contams you'd probably get.


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Re: Is there any limit to the size of a pftek jar? [Re: EthnoJimmy]
    #1225945 - 01/17/03 09:22 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I think you could be right.If I decided to turn the newly sterilised Verm/Brf cake into a few samller ones, would I have to re sterilise again?


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Re: Is there any limit to the size of a pftek jar? [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1225946 - 01/17/03 09:22 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

the larger it is, the longer it takes to colonize. the longer it takes to colonize, the more time contams have to get a foothold, not to mention the longer it will take to get fruits if it doesn't contam.


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Re: Is there any limit to the size of a pftek jar? [Re: Bilge]
    #1225969 - 01/17/03 09:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

You wouldn?t sterilize the same jars, you would just crumble up the colonized cakes, and mix it with poo or something like that to create a spawn run.
Some people claim sterilization of poo etc is an absolute must, but I never sterilize my spawn substrate, and I am not constantly battling contams.


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Re: Is there any limit to the size of a pftek jar? [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1226272 - 01/17/03 11:04 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

there was some crazy round here a couple months ago who took every idea to its extreme, way past sense. he wanted to make a HUGE cake, then sit in a bath of mercury or something and contemplate his tooth-transmitters.

eventually he was persuaded that 1/2 pint is chosen for its speed of colonisation vs. contams. while he was waiting for his theoretical dustbin full of bef/verm (to contam or stall), others could have grown out two or three harvests!

good luck with the experiments - apparently pftek is best with 1/2 pts (possibly pts), then pts, qts and 1/2gals for grain.
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Re: Is there any limit to the size of a pftek jar? [Re: shirley knott]
    #1226333 - 01/17/03 11:21 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I've run out of jars, so now I am using those little plastic trays(with lids) that you get chinese take away in. I used one last week and its colonising well.
Tonight I had to break up the three massive cakes I had prepared and put them in the little trays. Hopefully this will be ok cos I hadn't got to the inoculation stage.
Is verm/brf cake ok to sterilise twice? Hope so.


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Re: Is there any limit to the size of a pftek jar? [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1226344 - 01/17/03 11:23 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Sure is.


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Re: Is there any limit to the size of a pftek jar? [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1226363 - 01/17/03 11:30 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

I am thinking of using a large tuppware (plastic), cake sized container to make a much larger PFtek cake. Will there be any problem in producing a cake of this kind?
I can only think of one problem, if it contaminates, then I have wasted lots of spore solution in one cake. I was thinking of using about 5cc in the whole cake.
I could have just cased two smaller cakes, but I only read a Faq about casing an hour after I sterilised the big one!
Any thoughts?





tried it once and mold took over with the quickness...
used a gladware container.


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Re: Is there any limit to the size of a pftek jar? [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1226571 - 01/17/03 01:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

>Is there any limit to the size of a pftek jar?

The main limit is the amount of available air.
If the container is too deep, the upper part will colonize and effectively block the bottom part from getting oxygen, and the mycelium will stall.
I tried it.


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