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Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation
    #12232548 - 03/19/10 04:55 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Is there a known way to limit or prevent psilocybin formation in psilocybe mushrooms (particularly cubensis), as to make them edible but not psychoactive?

Just curious -- I always did enjoy the taste of psilocybe mushrooms (I know, weird huh) but never did like those they sell at the store. They taste funny to me. But hehe if I could eat cubes all day without tripping I would do it :laugh:

(granted I'd still enjoy the occasional trip of course :p)

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: Magick]
    #12233565 - 03/19/10 07:52 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

dude there are plenty of gross mushrooms out there to eat. cant stop nature from doing its thing, but you could try and grow in crappy conditions and then try and break down the actives with heat oxygen and strong sunlight or other powerful uvb type lights. still prob couldnt get rid of it all. or perhaps run a extract to get it out after. but real pain in the but and there is no reason to go through all that trouble and/or risk.


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: the man]
    #12233620 - 03/19/10 08:03 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

isn't digesting psilocybin mushrooms really tough on your stomach? like it doesn't digest them readily; ie the reason a lot of people get nausea?

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: x6h9ukfwh3p21df8]
    #12233781 - 03/19/10 08:34 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

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isn't digesting psilocybin mushrooms really tough on your stomach? like it doesn't digest them readily; ie the reason a lot of people get nausea?



it is true for all raw mushrooms.


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: Lennyk]
    #12235085 - 03/20/10 01:11 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: dokunai]
    #12235181 - 03/20/10 01:41 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

I don't honestly understand where this topic is going. Cubes taste fucking awful.


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: Professor Frink]
    #12235204 - 03/20/10 01:47 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

I cant understand what people find soo gross about magics to me they dont really taste of anything at all, rather bland tbh.. each to there own i guess


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: Mystery420]
    #12235247 - 03/20/10 02:05 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

he is just letting everyone know how tuff he is for not minding the taste of mush.. anyway

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: the man]
    #12235262 - 03/20/10 02:11 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Ahaha I really do like the taste! :laugh: especially ones I know are grown indoors or the like where there's no mud/bugs etc. I can't believe no one else here enjoys the way psilocybes taste.

But yet I tried I think it was a cooked portabello mushroom once and didn't like it.

However I do get the stomachache that you speak of after eating them raw.

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: Magick]
    #12236205 - 03/20/10 10:29 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Hey, I'm with Magick
I've always loved the taste of fresh cubensis! It's distinct from any other available in stores. The only mushrooms I like better are morels(cooked in that case), and if it were possible to have a patch of non-active psilocybe just to munch on as a snack I'd def be into that. Not to mention you'd then be able to grow them without the need for any secrecy ('cause they'd be legal if they didn't contain any actives).

I'd also think it awesome to have a nice big patch on my desk at work just as a conversation piece.

-If- the hypothesis that a substrate lacking in tryptophan produces less potency is true, then maybe experimenting with protein poor substrates with absolutely NO tryptophan/tryptamines would produce completely inactive mushrooms? (It would prob have to be a synthetic medium)
It's an interesting idea regardless. Especially as growing mushrooms for personal use usually results in a huuuge amount of surplus anyways...

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: Rob Crusoe]
    #12236332 - 03/20/10 10:56 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Psilocybe pegleriana : formerly Psilocybe violacea


this one doesn't produce actives(at least I am fairly certain), although still illegal I believe for whatever reason. Check it out, sporeworks I believe had it in for awhile, but I don't think they carry it anymore.


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: Lennyk]
    #12237600 - 03/20/10 04:07 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

I'm pretty sure the reason people don't use white rice flour in they're PF cakes is that the mushrooms that grow off of them end up not being psychoactive.


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #12237632 - 03/20/10 04:16 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

Read this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3576624/an/0/page/0
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**TRIP REPORT**
none. there was no trip, my offical tester ate 30g fresh at 8pm, it is now 11.37pm and the highest he got was the giggles for about 5 mins. When he eats my WBS Z-strain he normally takes 2.3 cracker dry and hits a low level 5 even had ego death once of 3g of dried Z-strain, His level of my impressive flush-----LEVEL 1, thats right the potency is about the same as the crappy shrooms that are in circluation round here, in other words, my best flush off any single cake casing yeilded 106.6 of crap, great learning experence though




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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #12238855 - 03/20/10 08:28 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

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I'm pretty sure the reason people don't use white rice flour in they're PF cakes is that the mushrooms that grow off of them end up not being psychoactive.




thats not true.


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: danielx]
    #12238873 - 03/20/10 08:32 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

erm, sources please?


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #12238911 - 03/20/10 08:38 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

the burden of proof lies on you, since you were the one who was making the claim.

my proof is the fact that I bioassayed shrooms grown on white rice and they were active.


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: danielx]
    #12239645 - 03/20/10 11:09 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

I think cubes taste similar to pretty much any other mushroom I've eaten.  If you like mushrooms, you'll like cubes.  The only difference is that most people eat mushrooms cooked.  If that's the case, cook your shrooms with food like pasta sauce or go fancy and make a filet mignon with mushroom sauce.

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: CycleThoughts]
    #12239693 - 03/20/10 11:22 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

Doesnt heat destroy psilocybin and psilocin?

That would mean you could just cook them at a high heat and eat them (like most mushrooms) without any psychoactive effects. Problem solved.

Although i have never cooked cubes myself, so I'm not an expert.


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: oden42]
    #12239964 - 03/21/10 01:15 AM (14 years, 11 days ago)

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Doesnt heat destroy psilocybin and psilocin?

That would mean you could just cook them at a high heat and eat them (like most mushrooms) without any psychoactive effects. Problem solved.

Although i have never cooked cubes myself, so I'm not an expert.




You can cook sauce at a relatively low temp, in the 150 F range.  If he wants to destroy py/p, try putting them on a pizza at 475 F.

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: CycleThoughts]
    #12240175 - 03/21/10 03:22 AM (14 years, 11 days ago)

Hm that's not a bad idea if one is growing them and has a ton :p

So here's an interesting question then ..assuming one had a way to grow psilocybes without the active compounds would they still be against the law - even if you could prove they contain no psilocin/psilocybin?

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: Magick]
    #12240518 - 03/21/10 06:51 AM (14 years, 11 days ago)

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Hm that's not a bad idea if one is growing them and has a ton :p

So here's an interesting question then ..assuming one had a way to grow psilocybes without the active compounds would they still be against the law - even if you could prove they contain no psilocin/psilocybin?




No, because the mushroom isn't illegal, it's psilocin/psilocybin that's illegal.  Think marijuana vs. hemp.

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: CycleThoughts]
    #12240950 - 03/21/10 09:19 AM (14 years, 11 days ago)

Yes, but they would be illegal right up to the point where you cook them, so if you're caught growing/with growing supplies you'd at least go to jail for conspiracy.


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #12241666 - 03/21/10 11:38 AM (14 years, 10 days ago)

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I'm pretty sure the reason people don't use white rice flour in they're PF cakes is that the mushrooms that grow off of them end up not being psychoactive.



Individual genetics. Doesn't have jack to do with the fact that they were grown off white rice flour. You can grow cubensis off of shreds of newspaper and they'll still whip your ass.


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #12243634 - 03/21/10 05:03 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

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Yes, but they would be illegal right up to the point where you cook them, so if you're caught growing/with growing supplies you'd at least go to jail for conspiracy.




Well but then again growing non-psilocybe mushrooms is still legal, you wouldn't go to jail for conspiracy for having supplies to grow those.

It'd be a tricky one with psilocybes though because you would have to guarantee that there is not going to be any psilocybin in the mushrooms or mycelium.


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: Rafiki]
    #12244809 - 03/21/10 08:13 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

guys guys. in the states they outlaw plants and the like. ie hemp versus pot. both are illegal although only one gets you high. if you had no active material in teh mushroom it still can be illegal. just like if you grew teh worst weed ever with liek no THC. however with a lawyer im sure you could make a case. anyway


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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: the man]
    #12245110 - 03/21/10 09:02 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

Federal law doesn't list any species, the only way it could become illegal is through, state, city, or county laws assuming of course the mushrooms weren't active.  Though, I would still expect the gov to try to make a case. :/

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: the man]
    #12245807 - 03/21/10 11:06 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

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guys guys. in the states they outlaw plants and the like. ie hemp versus pot. both are illegal although only one gets you high. if you had no active material in teh mushroom it still can be illegal. just like if you grew teh worst weed ever with liek no THC. however with a lawyer im sure you could make a case. anyway




What I want to know is why it's illegal to grow hemp, but legal to buy any and all hemp products?

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Re: Preventing psilocybin/psilocin formation [Re: Magick]
    #12246034 - 03/21/10 11:43 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

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