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OfflineDr. Seuss
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Recording Devices
    #12231136 - 03/19/10 01:30 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Whenever I visit the local courthouse, there's always a security set-up at the entrance that is almost identical to that at the airport. A police officer runs your suitcase through an x-ray, tells you to empty your pockets and walk through a metal detector. I understand this is a necessary security procedure, but they won't allow cell phones. I asked why this is, and the officer told me that most phones have cameras and recording capabilities. Neither of which are allowed in the court.

I've also read stories about people who were arrested for recording police encounters. Here is an article about the subject.

This is some scary business. When did the justice system earn the power to prevent and destroy evidence of their own wrongdoings? This concerns me due to the behavior of one of the district judges in my area. Out of all the cases I've seen, she mercilessly assumed each defendant guilty. In addition, I've heard horrifying stories about her. She's known by defendants as a "prosecutor in a robe". There is no evidence of this of course. The only recording comes from the court reporter, which can easily be edited. How can the government have this kind of power? Is it even legal in the first place?


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Re: Recording Devices [Re: Dr. Seuss]
    #12231634 - 03/19/10 02:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I always though no recording devices was to protect the defendants more than the state? Also aren't most hearings/trials open to the public, and if they are not open to the public still mostly open to media? Not sure on any of this but you might be a little quick to call conspiracy here.


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Re: Recording Devices [Re: Dr. Seuss]
    #12231640 - 03/19/10 02:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

If you look at the cases in that link everyone mentioned was quickly released and the charges dropped.  One lady apparently won some sort of case in federal court, probably suing their asses.

As for your courthouse... judges have the option to allow or deny cameras on a case by case basis.  If there isn't a good reason to prohibit them they're usually allowed.

In America you have a right to a public trial.  Since the trial is public and in a public place you can normally record anything you want.

Just because they've put up a sign saying no cellphones doesn't make that a law.  Cell phones and tape recorders don't usually set off metal detectors (although some cells will set them off every time).  So I'd suggest that you do what you want.

Unless you're recording a person when they have an expectation of privacy you're usually good as far as the law is concerned.  Just because bullies with badges try to bulldog you doesn't make it illegal.

Personally, if someone tried to come onto my property and take away my camera they'd be in some serious trouble.


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Re: Recording Devices [Re: fastfred]
    #12241687 - 03/21/10 11:41 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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fastfred said:
Unless you're recording a person when they have an expectation of privacy you're usually good as far as the law is concerned.





even then if it's in a public place there is no expectation of privacy
and in most stated there's no prohibition against recording anyone
without their knowledge in public, in private it becomes a different
matter in which most state require you to be a party to the
conversation and in others it is illegal

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Re: Recording Devices [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12241901 - 03/21/10 12:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

The expectation of privacy can be a thorny issue. Likewise with courthouse rules. Judges can be little dictators and while there may be no law against cameras, if the judge says you are guilty of contempt of court, then you are in trouble. Higher courts can rule on whether this was proper use of judicial prerogative or not but they tend to see things from the other judges point of view. I would check to see if any contempt of court citations for using a camera or recording device were issued and more importantly, if they were appealed and what the outcome was. Even then you are taking a risk by displeasing a judge. If they order you held without bail by god you will be held without bail until the wheels turn.

They do things the same way in the courthouses in my area. Metal detectors, put your metal objects in a tray and so on. I don't carry a cell phone so it has not come up. Good point, i like to see the citizens empowered. If there was a sign against cameras or phones and you snuck one in, it would not be a crime and you could not be indicted if you admitted to it later or were caught somehow. But watch out when you come before that same judge.

As for recording a cop on the street, go for it. They have no expectation of privacy and even less so when on the job. Some departments have cameras on the squad car that automatically record the whole thing plus microphones on the cops.


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Re: Recording Devices [Re: Stonehenge]
    #12251183 - 03/22/10 08:05 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure this applies, but, there are devices that will block and scramble recording devices within 30 ft. that you can buy at a Radio Shack.  They are like a scrambler of sorts that sends a scatter of signal that blocks out sound so that if you are getting hit by a confidential informant or an undercover cop you will have the signal blocked.

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Re: Recording Devices [Re: UltraPorn]
    #12256438 - 03/23/10 04:05 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Does it just make audible white noise?

Music works well for foiling recording devices as well.

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Re: Recording Devices [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #12337060 - 04/05/10 05:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know i just heard from some guy in jail that they sell or used to sell somehing that can be used for this but is not marketed specificaly towards doing this.

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Re: Recording Devices [Re: UltraPorn]
    #12337131 - 04/05/10 05:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

A boombox would fit that description.

I do not think that any other countermeasures exist.


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Re: Recording Devices [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #12346939 - 04/07/10 04:49 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

White noise generators used to work but they can easily filter it out these days.


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Re: Recording Devices [Re: Goldy]
    #12348070 - 04/07/10 11:36 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

That's the whole point of white noise it's random and equalized across the spectrum.  It can't be filtered out.


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Re: Recording Devices [Re: fastfred]
    #12348438 - 04/07/10 12:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

But many white noise generators suck, like the popular iphone app which plays a white noise mp3 on repeat that is about 20 seconds long.  That could be subtracted out.

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Re: Recording Devices [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #12352270 - 04/07/10 10:55 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Can microphones hear sounds that we can't?

If so, maybe a high pitched sound, like the mosquito ringtone, would overpower it and mask all sound. :shrug:


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Re: Recording Devices [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #12352730 - 04/08/10 12:04 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Can microphones hear sounds that we can't?




That depends on the microphone.  Many can, others are focused more around the voice ranges.

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If so, maybe a high pitched sound, like the mosquito ringtone, would overpower it and mask all sound. :shrug:




A high pitch sound could easily be removed with a notch filter, I don't think it would interfere with voice recording too much.

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Re: Recording Devices [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #12354049 - 04/08/10 09:22 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

A Wave Bubble would work if the recording device used a wireless mic.


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