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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13173898 - 09/10/10 06:00 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

> These studies were not done with whole fruits. See my above posts for why whole fruits are different from their isolated sugars.

I would rather read studies that show your claim rather than you posts.  :smile:

It is also a mistake to assume that all fruits have the same fructose content, only have fructose and no other sugars, and digest at the same rate.

I live on an island in the tropics where we have a lot of fresh fruit growing nearly year round.  The fruit available changes with the season, but it seems that there is always some type of fruit in season.  Because of this, fruit is a large part of our local diet.  We also have a tremendously high diabetes rate.  As far as I know, there have been no studies done to rule out genetics or other factors (rum).  However, I would be surprised to find that the high fruit diet here does not contribute to the high diabetes rates in the population.  (Our fruits are mostly papaya, avocado, banana, coconut, mango, pomegranate, passion fruit, sugar apples, soursop, etc.)


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13192337 - 09/14/10 12:00 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Perhaps different things work for different people. What type and how much meat do you eat with an almost-exclusively meat diet? What type of vegetation were you eating and what types of problems occurred?




probably 70% beef, 20% pork, 5% wild game and a little chicken,
the fruits and veggies include everything available locally




And about the 2000 calorie a day average?




I dont know dick about calorie counting, I eat what I want when ever I get hungry


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13195752 - 09/14/10 06:22 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

So your the average American :lol:


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13195772 - 09/14/10 06:26 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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So your the average human*




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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Chespirito]
    #13195779 - 09/14/10 06:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

That's true, but most humans don't have the opportunity to overeat.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13195786 - 09/14/10 06:28 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Yea fair enough.  But I see nothing wrong with eating if hungry, in fact that makes the most sense to me.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Chespirito]
    #13195807 - 09/14/10 06:31 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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So you're* the average human*







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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Silversoul]
    #13195833 - 09/14/10 06:35 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea fair enough.  But I see nothing wrong with eating if hungry, in fact that makes the most sense to me.




Yea, me neither. I suppose the problem is eating too fast (or the wrong type of stuff) so your body doesn't know when your full. Highly fatty foods have so many calories in such small space for example.

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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Silversoul]
    #13195838 - 09/14/10 06:35 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Well I just wanted to correct the substantive issues


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Chespirito]
    #13196236 - 09/14/10 07:43 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

EAT MUSHROOMS 100% RAW, fresh, dried, or in T.

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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13197303 - 09/14/10 11:56 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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That's true, but most humans don't have the opportunity to overeat.





why do you assume that eating when hungry means over eating, I frequently
only eat once a day, twice a day tops and the meals are small, why do you
assume the remainder of the world doesnt have access to enough food to
over eat, the whole world isnt suffering a famine


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13200630 - 09/15/10 05:54 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

2 billion people are living on less than a dollar a day...


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13200947 - 09/15/10 07:04 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

hundreds of millions of people are living on no money each day and doing so quite nicely

we cant judge the world by US wages, some places that dollar a day is a decent income


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13200964 - 09/15/10 07:08 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

A dollar a day is not decent income. It is enough income to survive. Look at the places of the world where the average income is ~365 dollars a year. They are plagued with poverty and starvation. 

hundreds of millions of people are living on no money each day and doing so quite nicely

They still have assets (i.e land for farming) worth more money than the 2 billion people I'm talking about would dare to dream of.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13201000 - 09/15/10 07:15 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

A dollar a day is a lot of money actually.  It can go a long way even here.  22 cents for a pound of wheat.  Or 2.99 for a loaf of bread?

Rent is free overseas if you live in a shanty or farm shack or above a manufacturing plant.

Shelter expenses in the US start from 400$ / mo / person to 10,000 and up... /mo / person.

You got to keep things in perspective...

It seems we spend more on taxes and housing than we do on food here... Where if you are dirt poor you spend on food 90-95% and just be.

There is no doubt an obesity epidemic in the US.

A lot of it has to do with the environment of food and people using food as entertainment.

I applaud Prisoner #1 for his moderation.  A lot of people including myself can easily get carried away and eat to try and reduce stress or avoid problems just like any other addiction.  We live in a place where that is an easy addiction to fall into.  Where in other places it isn't necessarily an available escape due to the cost involved.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13201331 - 09/15/10 08:22 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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A dollar a day is not decent income. It is enough income to survive. Look at the places of the world where the average income is ~365 dollars a year. They are plagued with poverty and starvation. 




in Burundi the average wage is $80/yr, in Cuba it's $200/yr and I hear
life there is great according to Micheal Moore, Kyrgyzstan $250/yr Georgia is $270/yr

Tblisi is such a shithole



but these countries are not other countries, these are normal wages
there, obviously enough to support a family on in these nations, how can
you say it's poverty, simply because their paycheck doesnt match yours?

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hundreds of millions of people are living on no money each day and doing so quite nicely

They still have assets (i.e land for farming) worth more money than the 2 billion people I'm talking about would dare to dream of.




how do you know those 2 billion dont have land for farming, dont they
have dirt under their feet, do they have mo means of acquiring food
other than UN Aid shipments?

I have an idea, lets stop feeding them, they'll die off and we wont have
to worry about the poor any longer, it's not like I care especially when
people that dont make any money can afford a trip to europe to look for work


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Raw]
    #13201422 - 09/15/10 08:43 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Rent is free overseas if you live in a shanty or farm shack or above a manufacturing plant.





in some areas homes are passed through generations of family, again pretty
much rent free, many have no electricity or running water, I knew places
like that here in the US just 30 years ago, I used to stay over at some
friends house and they had no bathroom, their kitchen opened onto a porch
where their water was drawn from a well... and there's still places like
that here, some people choose to live that way and are happy with it

in still many other areas, there's no ownership or rental of homes, it's
communal living, I mean how much could these folks possibly be making
each year? they dont look like they're starving



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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13201479 - 09/15/10 08:55 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

With every picture of a nice city there is a slum within a few miles. I spent a semester at the UN, spent time with the UNDP, and let me tell you there is a thing called variation in income. A small elite can offset those average wages. There are people starving all over the world, in every country. Have you ever seen pictures of the coal mining areas in the Appalachian mountains, here in the U.S? Take a look at Africa. My point still stands that a large portion of the world does not have the opportunity to gorge themselves with food.

I have an idea, lets stop feeding them, they'll die off and we wont have
to worry about the poor any longer


I think that's pretty arrogant coming from someone who was born into one of the wealthiest and educated countries in the world...

Here is another picture of Tbilisi:



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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13201609 - 09/15/10 09:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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With every picture of a nice city there is a slum within a few miles.




well yeah, even in the wealthiest nations in the world there's poverty
but why should I care about whether 2 billion people are starving in the
world, I didnt take them to raise and there's not a damn thing I could
do about it even if I was so inclined

why do you think many of these people live in poverty? if you live in a
desert where no food grows why not move from the desert, if you decide
not to move then why should I care of you starve, if you receive UN aid
in the form of grains to plant in your region, why should I give a shit
if you die from starvation later because you ate the grain today instead
of planting them


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There are people starving all over the world, in every country. Have you ever seen pictures of the coal mining areas in the Appalachian mountains, here in the U.S? Take a look at Africa. My point still stands that a large portion of the world does not have the opportunity to gorge themselves with food.




I have family in the Appalachians, have you ever been to an indian
reservation, not one of these casino towns but on a reservation, like
many other nations some are forced into poverty by their own government,
what's the solution, send aid that will be seized by that government and
never reach the people... the UN is good at feeding governments

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I have an idea, lets stop feeding them, they'll die off and we wont have
to worry about the poor any longer


I think that's pretty arrogant coming from someone who was born into one of the wealthiest and educated countries in the world...




I work for what I have, I work to feed my family, last year my earnings
were under $4000, this year it'll be less than $2000 in a nation where
the average is 40 times that and yet I still make sure my family is
still fed without any form of government assistance... why? because I
wouldnt qualify for something I've paid into for years


here's a picture in the US, they need my help more than someone 7000
miles away, I dont need to donate money to a program that sucks 95% of
that money in managing it and of the 5% that is used in assistance, 75%
of that never gets to where it's going. lot those in zimbabwe help those
in zimbabwe, let them oust Mugabe and invite those that had the capital,
and the assets and ability to feed the nation do what they did best,
after all, it wasnt poverty that put many of these nations where they
are, it was corrupt government that ushered in the poverty, maybe
instead of food we should be sending bullets so they can fight to free
themselves from those that put them there



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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13201648 - 09/15/10 09:29 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with you man, the situation is fucked up. I'm not advocating donating money, just trying to point out people are capable of being victims of their environment. I think we can solve the poverty problem. As of now, it simply isn't in the interest of the world elite, the mass ego, the machine - whatever you want to call it. I think it starts when we stop buying useless commodities. I believe these economic woes we are experiencing as a world are a blessing in disguise. When the machines comes grinding to a halt it will give us a chance to look around and say, "Hey, what do we actually need to sustainably survive?" This may sound optimistic, but hey, optimism is all we have, aye?


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