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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Heffy]
    #13085999 - 08/22/10 10:56 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

If humans were meant to eat cooked food then we would breathe fire. Simple as....before we discovered fire and invented tools everything we ate was RAW. :thumbup:


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: fugazi32]
    #13086077 - 08/22/10 11:18 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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If humans were meant to eat cooked food then we would breathe fire. Simple as....before we discovered fire and invented tools everything we ate was RAW. :thumbup:




That actually makes sense - but either way it was :lol:

No, I do not think we had Hibachi in the garden of eden :lol:


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: fugazi32]
    #13086438 - 08/22/10 01:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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If humans were meant to eat cooked food then we would breathe fire. Simple as....before we discovered fire and invented tools everything we ate was RAW. :thumbup:



Who is this "we" that discovered fire and invented tools?  Homo sapiens have always used fire and tools.  It was the pre-human hominid species homo erectus that discovered how to make fire, and homo habilus that first made stone tools.  And homo habilus didn't even walk upright(they looked more ape-like than human).  Our species was already making fire and using tools when it first evolved.  Thus, our bodies are well-adapted to the consumption of cooked food.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Silversoul]
    #13087450 - 08/22/10 06:03 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

what bothers me mostly about raw food enthusiasts is that they have this elitist attitude.  like, because this seems to work for me EVERYONE should do it, and they're generally really in your face about it.  they have this kind of holier than thou vibe, like because you're not a raw foodist, that you don't have the foggiest clue about eating healthy.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: yogabunny]
    #13087518 - 08/22/10 06:26 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:
I am way too eclectic and enjoy the joy of food too much for that :lol:


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: fugazi32]
    #13090409 - 08/23/10 12:38 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm: 4 month threadbump

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Simple as....before we discovered fire and invented tools everything sucked fucking ass.



Fixed.


If you don't want to live in a house, or eat cooked food, or use tools be my guest.

I'll stick with technology and modern conveniences thank you very much.


After all if humans were supposed to live in houses we would have hammers for hands....right?:facepalm:


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: soochi]
    #13091186 - 08/23/10 03:42 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Some foods need to be cooked to get nutrition or more nutrition out of them. Mushrooms for one. Also canned tomatoes have higher levels of lycopene than fresh.


Another fad diet for people with too much money, time and not enough world exposure.





Tell that to my brother, who just by increasing his raw food intake to about 80%, completly eliminated his psoriasis which he suffered for 5 years with to no avail of the medical or natural health industry.

Lol, if I saw you saying such nonsense, especially after you obviously know FUCK all about it, I would laugh at your face and hope that you eventually see the truth about your diet.

Note: I disagree that 100% raw is better than 80-90%, with SOME fish and/or preferably fresh seafood.

I have a study that shows that cancer incidence on all scales and through all types of cancers is by far decreased the most through consumption of raw forms of fruit, vegetables and nuts. I might be able to find it, but if not I will post it in a few days.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #13093016 - 08/23/10 09:46 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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soochi said:
Some foods need to be cooked to get nutrition or more nutrition out of them. Mushrooms for one. Also canned tomatoes have higher levels of lycopene than fresh.


Another fad diet for people with too much money, time and not enough world exposure.





Tell that to my brother, who just by increasing his raw food intake to about 80%, completly eliminated his psoriasis which he suffered for 5 years with to no avail of the medical or natural health industry.

Lol, if I saw you saying such nonsense, especially after you obviously know FUCK all about it, I would laugh at your face and hope that you eventually see the truth about your diet.

Note: I disagree that 100% raw is better than 80-90%, with SOME fish and/or preferably fresh seafood.

I have a study that shows that cancer incidence on all scales and through all types of cancers is by far decreased the most through consumption of raw forms of fruit, vegetables and nuts. I might be able to find it, but if not I will post it in a few days.



I don't know much about psoriasis, but a quick search yields that fasting and switching to a low energy diet may be beneficial(though it seems that results very wildly).  It sounds like when your brother switched to a raw foods diet, he was effectively reducing the nutrition that was available to him. What would be an interesting experiment would be for him to reintroduce foods that he had previously eliminated and see if the psoriasis comes back or that he switch back to cooked foods, but keep his caloric intake the same as it is now.

Our ancestors have been eating cooked foods for well over a million years, and yet life expectancy continues to rise in spite of our diet of cooked foods.

soochi is right though, cooked tomatoes have more lycopene than raw tomatoes.  That is a fact.
Raw eggs only about half of nutrition of a cooked egg.  That is also a fact.

There is already that other thread, but I'll copy and paste it anyways.
Food For Thought: Meat-Based Diet Made Us Smarter

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As we slice up the turnip and put the potatoes in a pot, Wrangham explains that even after we started eating meat, raw food just didn't pack the energy to build the big-brained, small-toothed modern human. He cites research that showed that people on a raw food diet, including meat and oil, lost a lot of weight. Many said they felt better, but also experienced chronic energy deficiency. And half the women in the experiment stopped menstruating.

It's not as if raw food isn't nutritious; it's just harder for the body to get at the nutrition.


Wrangham urges me to try some raw turnip. Not too bad, but hardly enough to get the juices flowing. "They've got a tremendous amount of caloric energy in them," he says. "The problem is that it's in the form of starch, which unless you cook it, does not give you very much."

Then there's all the chewing that raw food requires. Chimps, for example, sometimes chew for six hours a day. That actually consumes a lot of energy.




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As for starchy foods like turnips, cooking gelatinizes the tough starch granules and makes them easier to digest too. Even just softening food — which cooking does — makes it more digestible. In the end, you get more energy out of the food.

Yes, cooking can damage some good things in raw food, like vitamins. But Wrangham argues that what's gained by cooking far outweighs the losses.



This is coming from a professor of anthropology at Harvard.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Silversoul]
    #13113099 - 08/28/10 06:57 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Silversoul said:Our species was already making fire and using tools when it first evolved.  Thus, our bodies are well-adapted to the consumption of cooked food.




Hmmm....is that so??! Then why do the tribes that still eat raw/whole foods live longer and have no cancer rates or heart disease? :eek:

Read: Raw Perfection - it might clear things up some what... :wink:


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: fugazi32]
    #13113297 - 08/28/10 08:34 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Silversoul said:Our species was already making fire and using tools when it first evolved.  Thus, our bodies are well-adapted to the consumption of cooked food.




Hmmm....is that so??! Then why do the tribes that still eat raw/whole foods live longer and have no cancer rates or heart disease? :eek:




Which tribes in which country?  Can you cite any your sources?


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: fugazi32]
    #13113635 - 08/28/10 10:31 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Silversoul said:Our species was already making fire and using tools when it first evolved.  Thus, our bodies are well-adapted to the consumption of cooked food.




Hmmm....is that so??! Then why do the tribes that still eat raw/whole foods live longer and have no cancer rates or heart disease? :eek:

Read: Raw Perfection - it might clear things up some what... :wink:





Raw food diets are total BS. I'm not going to read a stupid book espousing raw food diets when I know enough about them already to know that they offer no real health benefits over a well balanced diet that includes cooked foods.

Most of the outrageous claims made by the raw foodist(who clearly know nothing about proteins, enzymes, and carbohydrates) have been thoroughly debunked.

If you think that your "tribes" live so large with no fire or tools, I say go join them. At least it wold get this raw food pseudoscience tripe off the internet.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: daussaulit]
    #13114475 - 08/28/10 02:22 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Which tribes in which country?  Can you cite any your sources?




The Hunza tribe, who live in the remote Himalayan range between Pakistan, India, and China.

Google is your friend... :smile:


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: fugazi32]
    #13116310 - 08/28/10 08:22 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Which tribes in which country?  Can you cite any your sources?




The Hunza tribe, who live in the remote Himalayan range between Pakistan, India, and China.

Google is your friend... :smile:



Google is my friend?
Well tell me how I was suppose to find out which tribe using the wealth of information that you have provided me with your post:

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Hmmm....is that so??! Then why do the tribes that still eat raw/whole foods live longer and have no cancer rates or heart disease? :eek:

Read: Raw Perfection - it might clear things up some what... :wink:



I've tried several search terms using only the words in your quote, and I was unable to find anything related to the Hunza. 

By the way, this Hunza tribe, they have medical professionals and screen the entire population annually for cancer and have published papers about their people's highest longevity and 0% cancer and heart disease rates? I still can't find that.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: daussaulit]
    #13123494 - 08/30/10 11:50 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

highest longevity with average lifespans at the 120-145yr mark
should we also believe that people in the pre christian era also lived to
900yrs, my big question about the Hunza would be why do they raise sheep
and goats if not for meat and fibers, meat can be dried and smoked as well
as cooked, do the raw foods diets include raw meat?


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #13124008 - 08/30/10 01:51 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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highest longevity with average lifespans at the 120-145yr mark
should we also believe that people in the pre christian era also lived to
900yrs, my big question about the Hunza would be why do they raise sheep
and goats if not for meat and fibers, meat can be dried and smoked as well
as cooked, do the raw foods diets include raw meat?



yes, but in this day and age, since we don't feed cattle, goats, pigs, etc their natural diets we expose them to gastrointestinal bacteria and disease that is carried through their bloodstream and deposited into muscles and meat. only way to kill that disease/bacteria is to cook the meat.

a lot of raw foodists, who aren't raw vegans, eat raw free range bison.

daniel vitalis swears by it. he's a raw foodist but far from a raw vegan. look him up he's a pretty cool guy with some levelheaded theories.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Heffy]
    #13124023 - 08/30/10 01:53 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Heffy said:
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fugazi32 said:
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Silversoul said:Our species was already making fire and using tools when it first evolved.  Thus, our bodies are well-adapted to the consumption of cooked food.




Hmmm....is that so??! Then why do the tribes that still eat raw/whole foods live longer and have no cancer rates or heart disease? :eek:

Read: Raw Perfection - it might clear things up some what... :wink:





Raw food diets are total BS. I'm not going to read a stupid book espousing raw food diets when I know enough about them already to know that they offer no real health benefits over a well balanced diet that includes cooked foods.

Most of the outrageous claims made by the raw foodist(who clearly know nothing about proteins, enzymes, and carbohydrates) have been thoroughly debunked.

If you think that your "tribes" live so large with no fire or tools, I say go join them. At least it wold get this raw food pseudoscience tripe off the internet.



ok mr. king of knowledge, teach me.

and your statement REEKS of ignorance. in fact, it reminds me of this article http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-already-knows-everything-he-needs-to-know-abou,17990/
so you're either a troll or ignorant (and there is nothing wrong with ignorance if you seek to educate yourself)


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: lovecheese]
    #13127872 - 08/31/10 07:44 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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chairlock3d said:
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highest longevity with average lifespans at the 120-145yr mark
should we also believe that people in the pre christian era also lived to
900yrs, my big question about the Hunza would be why do they raise sheep
and goats if not for meat and fibers, meat can be dried and smoked as well
as cooked, do the raw foods diets include raw meat?



yes, but in this day and age, since we don't feed cattle, goats, pigs, etc their natural diets we expose them to gastrointestinal bacteria and disease that is carried through their bloodstream and deposited into muscles and meat. only way to kill that disease/bacteria is to cook the meat.



Wow, where do you get your information from?

The feed that livestock consume changes the normal pH balance in their digestive tract, causing an imbalance of bacterial flora that is there naturally. The bacteria and disease does not get carried through the blood stream if the animal is healthy. Bacteria and disease does not get "deposited" into muscles. I could understand if there was lameness in livestock, but the animal should/would probably be destroyed instead of ending up in the food supply.

So, if bacteria is "deposited" into the muscles and meat, how is it that millions of steaks are consumed every year cooked less than well done without causing millions to be ill with a food borne illness?


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: daussaulit]
    #13128008 - 08/31/10 08:52 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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chairlock3d said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
highest longevity with average lifespans at the 120-145yr mark
should we also believe that people in the pre christian era also lived to
900yrs, my big question about the Hunza would be why do they raise sheep
and goats if not for meat and fibers, meat can be dried and smoked as well
as cooked, do the raw foods diets include raw meat?



yes, but in this day and age, since we don't feed cattle, goats, pigs, etc their natural diets we expose them to gastrointestinal bacteria and disease that is carried through their bloodstream and deposited into muscles and meat. only way to kill that disease/bacteria is to cook the meat.



Wow, where do you get your information from?

The feed that livestock consume changes the normal pH balance in their digestive tract, causing an imbalance of bacterial flora that is there naturally. The bacteria and disease does not get carried through the blood stream if the animal is healthy. Bacteria and disease does not get "deposited" into muscles. I could understand if there was lameness in livestock, but the animal should/would probably be destroyed instead of ending up in the food supply.

So, if bacteria is "deposited" into the muscles and meat, how is it that millions of steaks are consumed every year cooked less than well done without causing millions to be ill with a food borne illness?



I didn't say that every single piece of meat is infected with disease. Plus the US irradiates raw meat to kill off most bacteria, rendering not naturally raw. Doesn't kill all bacteria either, so meat shouldn't sit at room temperature for long or the bacteria will multiply at an alarming rate.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: lovecheese]
    #13128783 - 08/31/10 12:37 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
highest longevity with average lifespans at the 120-145yr mark
should we also believe that people in the pre christian era also lived to
900yrs, my big question about the Hunza would be why do they raise sheep
and goats if not for meat and fibers, meat can be dried and smoked as well
as cooked, do the raw foods diets include raw meat?



yes, but in this day and age, since we don't feed cattle, goats, pigs, etc their natural diets we expose them to gastrointestinal bacteria and disease that is carried through their bloodstream and deposited into muscles and meat. only way to kill that disease/bacteria is to cook the meat.





to the contrary, cattle are grazed most of their lives just as they've
always been, the factory farming concept is mostly myth

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a lot of raw foodists, who aren't raw vegans, eat raw free range bison.





http://www.bisoncentre.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=214&Itemid=313


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: daussaulit]
    #13128817 - 08/31/10 12:45 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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daussaulit said:
The feed that livestock consume changes the normal pH balance in their digestive tract, causing an imbalance of bacterial flora that is there naturally.





http://pubs.ext.vt.edu/400/400-010/400-010.html

In addition to reducing the size of feed particles, the mouth aids in digestion by adding saliva to the feed. Cows will produce 20-35 gallons of saliva a day. The saliva helps moisten the feed. Saliva also contains sodium bicarbonate to keep the rumen at the proper neutral pH (6.5-7.2) for good microbial growth. Much of the water contained in saliva is recycled by the cow.



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The bacteria and disease does not get carried through the blood stream if the animal is healthy. Bacteria and disease does not get "deposited" into muscles. I could understand if there was lameness in livestock, but the animal should/would probably be destroyed instead of ending up in the food supply.




parasites can find their way into meat and you're right 'downer cattle'
are not processed, it's illegal and results in huge fines and lawsuits,
typically food borne illness from meats comes from improper handling and
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