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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: daussaulit]
#12238881 - 03/20/10 08:33 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm fond of Harvard's healthy eating pyramid.

I have yet to find something that I think provides better guidelines for maintaining a good standard of health.
Sometimes I get a vibe from raw-foodsters that because I eat a mixed diet, I can't/don't eat raw foods. Like "well you don't get yadda yadda yadda eating cooked food!" As if I never eat raw food. Meanwhile they are running around the city, going to health food stores looking for alternative raw sources to the nutrients they could get from cooked foods.
On a totally unrelated note. Why would anyone grain feed cows? Seems like grass is much cheaper, and less useful to humans. Why would a farmer waste his grain crops on cows when they could eat grass?
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Heffy]
#12238904 - 03/20/10 08:37 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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A grass fed cow needs far, far more land to survive than a grain fed cow. It saves money.
A grain fed cow only needs about 3 square meters of space, whereas a grass fed cow needs like 1/4 acre.
But that pyramid looks good. Much better than the FDA's one, actually.
Edited by BothHands (03/20/10 08:41 PM)
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: BothHands]
#12238921 - 03/20/10 08:40 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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BothHands said: A grass fed cow needs like 20 times more land to survive than a grain fed cow. It saves money.
But that pyramid looks good. Much better than the FDA's one, actually.
FDA one was heavily influenced by the grain, dairy, and meat industries.
It also completely ignores exercise as the most important part of maintaining a good standard of health.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: BothHands]
#12238947 - 03/20/10 08:45 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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BothHands said: A grass fed cow needs far, far more land to survive than a grain fed cow. It saves money.
A grain fed cow only needs about 3 square meters of space, whereas a grass fed cow needs like 1/4 acre.
How many acres of grain do you figure the grain fed cow needs eats in a single harvest season?
Probably much less than grass. Still seems like a silly way to operate.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Heffy]
#12238959 - 03/20/10 08:49 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, if you factor in how much land it takes to produce their food, grain fed cows still use a large amount of land. But in the end, it's slightly less land. So it's slightly cheaper.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#12240338 - 03/21/10 05:20 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another fad diet for people with too much money, time and not enough world exposure.
well put.
agreed. i mean, cooking food is what makes us humans. no other animals cook their food (at least from what we have observed). i love cooked food. i love meat. i love veggies. i also love eating raw vegetables.
but, don't get me wrong, i don't condone people who practice a raw diet, they could do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies. i also think that the paleolithic diet that they're trying to market right now is also becoming a retarded fad. one of the advocates for the paleolithic diet, John Durant raves about how eating raw meat is good for us (i don't know about NOW, especially with the lax standards of how cows/chickens/pigs are raised, ESPECIALLY in the US), spends his time munching on raw veggies/fruits and conducts retreats where people run around rocks, act like cavemen and pay thousands of dollars to do this. LOL
There's a book by Richard Wrangham called "Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human" where he describes his theory of how 1.8 million years ago, homo erectus discovered cooking (though, he's still trying to find evidence of this in archaeology sites in Africa - charred bones/cut marks), went through evolutionary changes over time where the gut became smaller, thus freeing calories to fuel the growth of the brain instead. then you know what goes on from there...(the theory sounds plausible, but of course, more evidence is needed). there's one thing for sure, cooking freed up time - our ancient ancestors, even look at primates now, spent/spend their days continuously munching on veg/fruit in order to gain some energy.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: boO]
#12240708 - 03/21/10 08:17 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would say your friend wasnt following a healthy safe raw food diet. Just like anything else if you arent following the outline youll end up in trouble.
Raw food diet is based on the idea that certain vitamins are lost during the cooking process, it isnt a cure all
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: TexasMyco]
#12240815 - 03/21/10 08:57 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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TexasMyco said: I would say your friend wasnt following a healthy safe raw food diet. Just like anything else if you arent following the outline youll end up in trouble.
Raw food diet is based on the idea that certain vitamins are lost during the cooking process, it isnt a cure all
What exactly is "the outline". I know he gathered his information from a variety of sources.
Most of the info I see about raw food diets is based on hearsay information from various places.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Heffy]
#12240847 - 03/21/10 09:00 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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well i guess you would need to give me his daily routine. like what food, how much, washing food, ect... I was just pointing out that lots of people live healthy lives on a raw food diet but they follow the rules.
not that i do what celebs do, but a wellknown raw foodist is woody harelson, maybe ask him how he does it, since he is ripped and cut up and far from unhealthy.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: TexasMyco]
#12240904 - 03/21/10 09:09 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was just pointing out that lots of people live healthy lives on a raw food diet but they follow the rules.
Which rules and guidelines? Outlined by who?
Surely not Woody Harelson. If he is the leading authority on raw food I'll eat my hat.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Heffy]
#12240949 - 03/21/10 09:19 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I never claimed to have the "outline" (but any healthy diet has one) just the claim that if you dont follow it, outcomes like your friends are inevitable.
as to who the authority is on the subject i have no clue. once again i was just pointing out a higly public figure to illustrate that people do live on the diet with healthy desirbale results.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: BothHands]
#12241168 - 03/21/10 10:00 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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BothHands said: Yeah, if you factor in how much land it takes to produce their food, grain fed cows still use a large amount of land. But in the end, it's slightly less land. So it's slightly cheaper.
Maybe you should watch Food Inc and see how great grain fed cows are. They are meant to eat grass.
I personally don't want to be eating crappy filthy food produced at the cheapest cost. By no way am I a raw food guy, I love my rare steaks. But I love good food that was grown right and meat that was raised right.
Grass fed cattle have ALOT ALOT less E. coli in them then a grain fed cow
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E. coli
Escherichia coli, although considered to be part of the normal gut flora for many mammals (including humans), has many strains. Strain E. coli 0157:H7 is associated with human illness (and sometimes death) as a foodborne illness. A study by Cornell University [23] has determined that grass-fed animals have as much as 80% less of this strain of E. coli in their guts than their grain-fed counterparts, though this reduction can be achieved by switching an animal to grass only a few days prior to slaughter. Also, the amount of E. coli they do have is much less likely to survive our first-line defense against infection: stomach acid. This is because feeding grain to cattle makes their digestive tract abnormally acidic; over time, the pathogenic E. coli becomes acid-resistant.[24] If humans ingest this acid-resistant E. coli via grain-feed beef, a large number of them may survive past the stomach, causing an infection.[25] A study by the USDA Meat and Animal Research Center in Lincoln Nebraska (2000) has confirmed the Cornell research.[26][dubious – discuss]
Cows just are not meant to eat grain
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Shea25]
#12241404 - 03/21/10 10:44 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree, I would eat a grassfed cow long before I ever considered eating a grainfed cow. I didn't say grainfed was better. I said it was cheaper, and that's why they do it.
Though personally I prefer not to eat any cows.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: BothHands]
#12242213 - 03/21/10 01:20 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Though personally I prefer not to eat any cows.
you don't sound like someone who eats food for enjoyment.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Shea25]
#12242259 - 03/21/10 01:31 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just like humans are not meant to eat only raw foods 
Most beef cattle in Alabama graze in-pasture and are also fed grain. Trust me I spend a lotta time lookin' at cow patties and they seem to have maybe a 25% corn/soybean diet. Although some low-quality factory farms probably use straight grain. Grain fed cattle weigh more, and produce more meat. They make more money per cow that way.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Mchaggis]
#12242318 - 03/21/10 01:41 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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cheesemakers look for grass fed cows only because the milk is sweeter, so depending on your business you may make more money grass feeding and people pay a premium for the milk.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#12242329 - 03/21/10 01:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Though personally I prefer not to eat any cows.
you don't sound like someone who eats food for enjoyment.
Actually I love cooking and I love food. I'm not a raw foodie, not even vegan. Vegetarian. I agree, it does limit my choices, but there are tons of great vegetarians foods.
Portabella burgers are one of my favorite. With a mixture of feta cheese, chopped red pepper, chopped de-seeded tomatoes, salt, pepper, fresh oregano, and red wine vinegar on top.
I make some awesome vegetarian burritos and pizza too.
Gardein also makes some amazing meat replacements. They're thousands of times better than Morning Star, Boca, or any of the other brands. They don't contain any partially hydrogenated oils. Plus, as a female, I don't have to worry about the phytoestrogens, allowing soy to be a staple in my diet.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: BothHands]
#12242634 - 03/21/10 02:22 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think alot of the shortcomings with vegetarian food is the flaw of western culture.
Like i don't really understand this infatuation with making meat substitutes out of vegetable ingrediants.
I mean to me it's just like a tease, an immitation, a Plan B to the real thing.
Yet if you go to a place like say, India, who've been cooking vegetarian foods devotely for centuries, the diversity and quality of vegetarian dishes is pretty incredible.
Like what people do to Tofu in this country is pretty laughable. That's why so many westerners have lost respect for tofu. Cuz people are trying to wrap em up in veggie wraps, using it to shape artificial turkeys, etc.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#12242705 - 03/21/10 02:33 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I actually have several Indian cook books. Indian food's one of my favorites.
I don't generally eat tofu though, because I've never been too successful in cooking it. I usually only eat tofu from Chinese restaurants, and often even their tofu is disgusting. But this mom and pop Chinese restaurant by my house really does it well. Not even sure what the place it called, but it says "China" in a flickering light above the restaurant.
The meat substitutes are mainly for nostalgia and laziness. I don't usually spend more than 15$ a month of them. Gardein is truely first rate though. None of the other brands compare.
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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: BothHands]
#12243228 - 03/21/10 03:53 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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the thing that westerners dont understand about tofu is, the nature in which is was always used
its a neutralizing element like say, mashed potatos, grits, or a bowl of rice, or bread.
but it's texture and overall flavor absorbing nature makes its whole purpose something to temper surrounding stronger flavors in liquid form, i.e. stews, soups, or marinades.
The most defining tofu dish in my opinion, is mapo tofu. Because the tofu element of the dish is truely essential to making everything else work.
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