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I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. * 1
    #12230719 - 03/19/10 12:09 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I don't want to start an argument in the other thread, but personally every time someone starts preaching the benefits of raw food diets to me I just roll my eyes.

They generally seem to have very poor information, and are in terrible health.
In fact a close friend of mine very nearly killed himself by following a raw food diet.
For years he was telling me all about how great raw food was, and how it cured all these problems he's had since he was little. Then one day he showed up in the ICU with potentially life threatening nutritional problems. At this point it looks like he will survive and recover. However I doubt he will ever be able to be physically active the way he was. We used to train martial arts together at the same Dojo, until his nutritional problems rendered him virtually incapable of participating.


Perhaps the people on this board are healthier than my friend, I doubt it though. His apartment was covered in mason jars of goji berries, nuts, and foods he prepared in his dehydrator. He espoused all the same pseudo-scientific ideas that I constantly hear from raw foodists, such as:

"Heating food above 118 degrees will kill all the enzymes in it."

and

"All foods are more nutritious in their raw form."


I don't doubt that someone could maintain a good standard of health while on a raw food diet. I just feel that most people don't.
Frankly I have yet to hear a single convincing argument that explains why a raw diet is healthier than a diet of raw and cooked foods.
However this doesn't stop people from killing their child with malnutrition, to indulge their lifestyle.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Heffy] * 1
    #12230868 - 03/19/10 12:35 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I mean the whole basis behind eating raw foods is that certain vitamins can't be delivered unless eaten in its raw state.



But with that being said, the whole raw food diet is nothing more than a way for people to suffer.



It's got to be worse than being vegetarian.  Like not only can't u eat most meats, but now u can't even extract flavor or natural sugars out of that which u DO eat.



I have a friend whose been on the Raw food diet for a while now, and it's pretty useless going into his kitchen. 



I mean the whole discovery of fire and its ability to extract new flavors and textures out of food is one of those essential things that separates humans from almost all other animals.



You might as well revert to walking on all fours butt naked in a grazing field, munching up grass and then regurgitating it and eating it back up.


I mean why not, its good for you!


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: LiquidSmoke] * 1
    #12230899 - 03/19/10 12:42 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Our current anatomy is designed around being a bipedal, carnivorous ape. A lot of human behavior is more like wolf-packs or lion-prides than ape troops.

Desmond Morris' The Naked Ape is a wonderful read.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Heffy] * 1
    #12230980 - 03/19/10 12:55 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Omnivorous, vegetarian, and raw food diets are all compatible with our biology if done right.

An unbalanced omnivorous diet can be just as unhealthy as an unbalanced raw food diet. 

The number 1 killer in the United States is heart disease.  Obviously a large portion of omnivores are doing it wrong.

But you are correct, many people who eat raw food diets are also unhealthy, as they don't follow the diets properly.

In order to get one's daily 2000 calories from raw food, one needs to eat FAR more material.  The problem is that people who switch to raw food tend eat the same amount of food as they did while on omnivorous diets, and so don't they get enough calories. 

Personally, I'm a vegetarian.  It's for my own personal reasons, which are unimportant to this thread.  I have no intentions of changing your eating habits.

Some people find different eating habits work better for their bodies.  We're all a little different. 

I agree, if you're going to feed your child a raw food diet, then you better do some fucking research.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: BothHands] * 1
    #12231034 - 03/19/10 01:08 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Omnivorous, vegetarian, and raw food diets are all compatible with our biology if done right.

An unbalanced omnivorous diet can be just as unhealthy as an unbalanced raw food diet. 

The number 1 killer in the United States is heart disease.  Obviously a large portion of omnivores are doing it wrong.








I dont know if you're implying that heart disease is related to an unbalance of omnivorous diet but...


when you eat without restrictions, the issue is more of caloric intake.




I mean being vegetarian is compatible with your body, but it sure does cause your intestinal flora to produce alot more gas.

Which is why vegetarians tend to have a bit more flatulance.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: LiquidSmoke] * 1
    #12231056 - 03/19/10 01:13 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I can't find it but I read somewhere that because of excess flattus a vegetarian's carbon footprint was twice as big as an omnivore's. And a vegan's carbon footprint was even bigger.

I wish I could find that article. Makes sense though.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: LiquidSmoke] * 1
    #12231153 - 03/19/10 01:32 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

You have to agree that a raw food diet is low in trans and saturated fat.  It's also low in cholesterol.

I'd venture to say it's impossible to take in too much bad fat on a raw food diet.

Again, I don't eat a raw diet.  I enjoy cooked food far too much.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: BothHands] * 1
    #12231210 - 03/19/10 01:42 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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You have to agree that a raw food diet is low in trans and saturated fat.  It's also low in cholesterol.







It's also low in flavor, and low in enjoyment.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: LiquidSmoke] * 1
    #12231235 - 03/19/10 01:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I've had a few damn good raw meals.  But I agree for the most part.  Cooked food is tastey.

guacamole, hummus, avocados, olives, shredded carrots, red onions, basil, parsley, and lettuce wrapped in grape leaves = yum.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: LiquidSmoke] * 1
    #12231315 - 03/19/10 01:59 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

A raw food diet done properly is extremely healthy. I know tons of people in the raw community around where I live, including David Wolfe.. and they are all very healthy and constantly full of energy.

I'm not going to knock it because these people seem to enjoy it thoroughly. They love eating all raw, and they are super healthy..... so more power to them.

I myself will engage in the occasional raw dish - some of them are EXTREMELY tasty and enjoyable. You just have to know the right chefs.
I eat most of my fruits and veggies completely raw, or if cooked.. lightly stir fried or something. It IS true that when you cook a lot of these foods, you are killing vital nutrients and enzymes.

For example - pasteurized milk from grain fed cows. I could write a whole essay on why pasteurized cows milk is not good for you, but fortunately that has already been done. However, raw milk from grass fed cows is perfectly fine and contains all the necessary enzymes for your body to digest it properly, as well as tons of nutrients that are not found in pasteurized milk, because the pasteurization process kills it all. Pasteurization of milk became necessary because they were feeding these cows an unnatural diet and overmilking them and pumping them full of hormones, and they were producing inferior milk filled with pus and feces, so they had to pasteurize in order for it be even halfway considered worthy of human consumption. I'm sure some milk fanatics will tear into me for saying all this. But it's true.


That being said, I don't think I could ever go fully raw, there's just too many things I like cooked.
And I think it's sort of silly personally to go.. like 500% raw.. RAW EVERYTHING.
I mean sure, a large majority of your diet raw is very cool. But what about stuff that HAS to be cooked, or tastes better cooked.
Rice anyone? Sweet potatoes? DELICIOUS BACON? CHEEESE?  PIZZA???? I'm not willing to sacrifice these foods.

So I'm not gonna knock a 100% raw diet, because I've seen tons of people do it successfully and they seem to fully enjoy it.
But it's just not for me.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: BothHands] * 1
    #12231327 - 03/19/10 02:01 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

the main flaw with being vegetarian, is that you really sort of close yourself off from experiencing the majority of ethnic cultures in the world.  As pretty much all cultures revolve around food.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: LiquidSmoke] * 1
    #12231940 - 03/19/10 03:21 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Idiot mother almost kills family with raw milk:

http://christopherfountain.com/2009/12/12/idiot-mother-feeds-her-kids-raw-milk-almost-kills-them-sues-whole-foods/

What's natural about humans drinking cow milk anyway?


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
    #12232207 - 03/19/10 03:57 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing, really. Cow's milk is made for baby calfs to turn into 2,000+ lb beasts in a matter of weeks.

However, raw milk from grass fed cows is far healthier than pasteurized milk from grain fed.
And from what I understand, in order to produce "good" raw milk, the cow must be fed an entirely organic grass fed diet. i.e - what they would eat naturally in the wild.
Tainted with e-coli sounds like bad sanitation practices, not the milk's fault. And extremely rare.
It's not like this is something new. E-coli in spinach, in burger king burgers, etc etc.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #12232814 - 03/19/10 05:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like hippiemagic bullshit to me.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
    #12232930 - 03/19/10 06:04 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Heffy] * 1
    #12233570 - 03/19/10 07:54 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

What is the point anyways?  I mean the Japanese have some of the highest life expectancy rates in the entire world, and it seems to me that eating modest portions, eating more fish instead of less red meat, eating a lot of vegetables and including soy in their diet seems to be the trick.  Oh yeah, most of their food is cooked.  They seems to be doing mighty well eating cooked food.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: Heffy] * 1
    #12233739 - 03/19/10 08:24 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Some foods need to be cooked to get nutrition or more nutrition out of them. Mushrooms for one. Also canned tomatoes have higher levels of lycopene than fresh.


Another fad diet for people with too much money, time and not enough world exposure.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: soochi] * 1
    #12233766 - 03/19/10 08:31 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Another fad diet for people with too much money, time and not enough world exposure.






well put.


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: LiquidSmoke] * 1
    #12234053 - 03/19/10 09:18 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

i like my red meat as close to raw as i can get it.

never will i consider bee pollen a course though...


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Re: I think that raw food diets are a bunch of garbage. [Re: GetTheFuckOut] * 1
    #12238858 - 03/20/10 08:29 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone here ever eaten a vegetarian?
Might like to try one someday perhaps liver and fava beans paired with a good chianti.


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