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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: myceleus_rex]
    #12232768 - 03/19/10 05:39 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

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I think the main reason for something like the wok-still is that you can re-use that expensive alcohol.





BINGO

Since he payed 34$ for the bottle it would be nice to save some. Why not save some alcohol more more extractions using a wok still. They are easy to make up

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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: Shea25]
    #12233062 - 03/19/10 06:26 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Awesome

thanks for all the help, didnt expect a clever way like this to do it.  it's looking more and more like one of my chem labs.

i'm just looking for something to hold up the container in the middle, for making the wok-still,

has anyone used this?  i'm having a hard time finding a thing to hold it up.  i know something like this would be great

but i don't have shit in my kitchen.

as for now, i have over an ounce of mushrooms in a salsa jar filled almost to the top (just finished my third round of extracting).  so 20 bucks for an ounce-worth of electric everclear is fine with me.


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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: jingus]
    #12233359 - 03/19/10 07:17 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

MY FUCKING JAR CAUGHT ON FIRE  :omgz:

so here's how i was doing it.

i had all my three extractions separate, then i mixed them all together again, and kept the mushroom powder at the bottom, it filled up the jar i was using.

then i was trying to evaporate some of the alcohol, by using a hot water bath, with the jar protected by a towel at the bottom of the sauce pan.



i had a hole in the lid so i wouldn't make a bomb.



and this is how much everclear i used

ouch


so i let this thing boil on the stove, and i go outside to hose off the deck..  problem is, i was there for a good half hour, and i wasn't watching the stove.

i come in, and ITS ON FIRE

now luckily, it was only like a candle, because of the small hole in the lid.  but this could have been burning for maybe 20 minutes, hopefully less.

i know this is bad.. but how bad is this?  it had to have been the alcohol at the surface burning, so that is good..  but it must have been boiling, so it would be mixed up and not just pure alcohol at top.

how fucked am i?


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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: jingus]
    #12233723 - 03/19/10 08:21 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Very bad!!! lol I dont know. It can have been worse..... You could have ended homeless because you forgot to take precautions in handling alcohol. Forget the alcohol extraction and find something new.:sun:

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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: holybrown101]
    #12233771 - 03/19/10 08:32 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Wow... :facepalm:


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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: holybrown101]
    #12233794 - 03/19/10 08:36 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

i know the lid kinda saved your ass but that looked way to close to a bomb. most people i know just pour a little of the alcohol into a glass baking dish and put in the oven on low and leave the oven door open. the safest way would be to just pour it into a glass dish or plate and turn a fan on it. no heat that way.

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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: fig]
    #12233818 - 03/19/10 08:40 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

yup, thats what's going on from now on.

put it in a mixing bowl and its in front of my fan with my other goodies drying out.

i can wait.. lol  :lame:


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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: jingus]
    #12233822 - 03/19/10 08:41 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Or buy lab glass and do it right.


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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: jingus]
    #12233861 - 03/19/10 08:48 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

OP: A bowl containing your solution in front of a fan will work fine and be a lot safer. Think of it this way: you learned how to make an alcohol lamp.

Props to whoever posted the picture of the pressure-cooker still, I can't believe I didn't think of that. I'd be a bit worried about the sealing ring around the lid of the pressure cooker dissolving into the alcohol vapor (one helluva solvent), and for alcohol intended to be ingested copper or other non-reactive metal is a must for the entire vapor path. The milkjug condenser is great, though.

Also:

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MY FUCKING JAR CAUGHT ON FIRE  :omgz:





lol


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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: Doc_T]
    #12233869 - 03/19/10 08:50 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

good job, dingus :wink:

we all make mistakes

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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: kirix]
    #12233915 - 03/19/10 08:57 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

lol yeah,


and doc, what have you used in the past, erlenmeyer flask?


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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: DryGrain]
    #12233921 - 03/19/10 08:58 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)





lol here u go.:respect:

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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: fig]
    #12233948 - 03/19/10 09:01 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

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lol here u go.:respect:





Now I take it you have to hand make the 8L pot ??  Be sweet if you could just buy a pre built unit.

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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: jingus]
    #12233996 - 03/19/10 09:07 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

In that picture the water looks like it is boiling. The water should not be boiling alcohol should boil wayy before the water

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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: Shea25]
    #12234076 - 03/19/10 09:21 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

fig, you're a champ - thanks for the explanation.  maybe for when i'm not so poor.  also, what do you generally use that for?


and shea, thats just how it happened, either BOTH the water and the mix was boiling, or neither was.  there IS over an ounce of coffee ground shrooms in there, that werent completely dry, either. 


but what's wrong with water boiling?  if they are both boiling, its still only about 170degrees in the alcohol solution


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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: Shea25]
    #12234104 - 03/19/10 09:27 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Or, even better:


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It also happens to be for sale by the way.

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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: Benjamin Linus]
    #12234136 - 03/19/10 09:33 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Thats sweet.

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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: Benjamin Linus]
    #12234142 - 03/19/10 09:34 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

i'm not too hip on my extractions however an alkaloid is called an alkaloid because it is a "free base" so pulling with alcohol is not needed because alcohol is polar and non-polar. alcohol will pull the entire kitchen sink. next time consider using a non-polar like toluene and letting it evap without a f-ing double boil. or to be even safer, use the same butane contraption you use to make hash honey oil, that will pull alks out of shroomies. if you do use a non-polar next time don't let the material sit in the solution for more than a few seconds.

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also, if you want to just pull with water, then next time grind the shit outta the dry shrooms, acidify the water so that the free-base alks are salted and thus water soluble, then filter the gunk and let it evap, that will pull most of the salted alks with water.

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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: larshroom]
    #12234149 - 03/19/10 09:36 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

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i'm not too hip on my extractions however an alkaloid is called an alkaloid because it is a "free base" so pulling with alcohol is not needed because alcohol is polar and non-polar. alcohol will pull the entire kitchen sink. next time consider using a non-polar like toluene and letting it evap without a f-ing double boil. or to be even safer, use the same butane contraption you use to make hash honey oil, that will pull alks out of shroomies.





Actually it wont

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Re: how i am currently making my tincture. (also have questions) [Re: Shea25]
    #12234163 - 03/19/10 09:38 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

and your explanation is?....

shea do you have an explanation as to why that wouldn't work or are you just making a sweeping comment without anything to back it up?

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