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Ego death and the Godhead
#12203124 - 03/14/10 09:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are these experiences the same thing or does ones ego have to completely dissolve to reach this higher state of consciousness?
My experience ego death has been varied from completely terrifying in being lost without reality, to the most beautiful experience of oneness with self and connection to all things. I view this state as the Godhead where there is no thought only pure experience in the now. On higher doses i have found the best way to experience the dissolving of ego is to just let it happen, fighting to hold on only makes it worse. Besides you don't control shit in this state anyway so you might as well just give in and let it happen.
What are other peoples experiences with the Godhead state of consciousness? To get there myself i have to completely let go of ego. Is this the same for others who have experienced this state?
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: Novelty] 1
#12203233 - 03/14/10 09:38 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: deCypher]
#12203307 - 03/14/10 09:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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The book that I am currently reading describes "the ultimate state of consciousness" as a state not where you destroy your ego but simply a state where you are no longer so strongly identified with it.
The book breaks down the boundaries and divisions that people set up for themselves and once a person reaches this ultimate state of consciousness, a state where there is only pure experience, all boundaries have been broken down. This does not mean that you have killed your ego, your shadow, your persona, your centaur, or your trans-personal self but simply that you are not narrowly identifying with them.
A person who has broken down the boundaries to reach this level of consciousness has not lost control over these aforementioned aspects but they simply do not identify so strongly with them and think "I am my body" or "I am my emotions". You have emotions and you have a body but you are not these emotions and you are not your body.
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: Grimmy101]
#12203397 - 03/14/10 10:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sounds like an epic read. What is the name of this book?
I agree with what you have stated about not being able to identify with an individual part of yourself. To expand on what you have stated i would suggest that the ego fully integrates itself with the unconscious to reach the Godhead state. Shadow, person etc are just part of a larger whole, and in the Godhead state you can experience this whole.
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: Novelty]
#12203486 - 03/14/10 10:14 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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The book's called No Boundary by Ken Wilber, I'd definitely recommend it, it was really a great read.
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: Grimmy101]
#12205410 - 03/15/10 10:28 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Grimmy101 said: The book that I am currently reading describes "the ultimate state of consciousness" as a state not where you destroy your ego but simply a state where you are no longer so strongly identified with it.
The book breaks down the boundaries and divisions that people set up for themselves and once a person reaches this ultimate state of consciousness, a state where there is only pure experience, all boundaries have been broken down. This does not mean that you have killed your ego, your shadow, your persona, your centaur, or your trans-personal self but simply that you are not narrowly identifying with them.
A person who has broken down the boundaries to reach this level of consciousness has not lost control over these aforementioned aspects but they simply do not identify so strongly with them and think "I am my body" or "I am my emotions". You have emotions and you have a body but you are not these emotions and you are not your body.
Finally someone making some sense on this ridiculous issue of "ego death".
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: Icelander]
#12205595 - 03/15/10 11:12 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yup, the old pre-trans fallacy. Though I can't say I fully understand its implications since the ultimate goal is still death+nirvana.
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: Novelty]
#12205773 - 03/15/10 11:49 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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On higher doses i have found the best way to experience the dissolving of ego is to just let it happen, fighting to hold on only makes it worse. Besides you don't control shit in this state anyway so you might as well just give in and let it happen.
When do we feel ego most strong as our sense of self? Its when we can not let go of something, when poeple say 'my ego was crushed' or 'my ego was offended' or they feel as though they are suffeirng the ego, they usually mean, 'i just couldn't let it go'
So we may feel at times we let go of things, but really what we are doing is letting go of the ego that clings to things in the first place.
It all revolves around this sense/feeling 'I' and what we associate it with, ifits strongly associated with this body/mind then it comes into attachments & aversions, if it stays as pure 'I' not associated with any thing but itself, then its dissolves all attachment & shines as pure bliss.
Are you from england by any chance?
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: Chronic7]
#12207733 - 03/15/10 05:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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can your ego kill you and have the same effect?
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How can the ego kill infinity? Id like to see it try!  It would be a kamikazee mission for sure...
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: Chronic7]
#12208469 - 03/15/10 07:23 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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exactly. it creates an inverse.
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: Chronic7]
#12208979 - 03/15/10 08:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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During the trip when i reach the Godhead it was easy to let go of earthly attachments as i was in a real shit spot in my life. I now find it easier to let go of attachments that are not healthy, that previously i thought i needed to hold onto.
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: Grimmy101]
#12219292 - 03/17/10 03:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've read several of Wilber's books, and I appreciate them. In fact, I wish I'd known about The Atman Project when I was working on my dissertation. There is another fellow, not nearly so prolific a writer as Wilber, but everywhere his intellectual equal, and the two of them debate major issues. His name is Michael Washburn, and he uses lots more psychoanalytically derived terms, like "regression in the service of the ego." Where Wilber sees a strictly linear progression towards higher consciousness, Washburn sees certain backflowing movements. These two perspectives seem to mirror the Hindu and Buddhist mystical pathways of the Kundalini and the Tummo, respectively. The Kundalini makes a linear assent, whereas the Tummo passes up to the Navel Center, circulates and fills that center, then descends back to the Root Center before making a linear assent. These are experiences, abstract diagrams, and also descriptions of Wilber's and Wasburn's theories. I'm familiar with the first two books:
http://www.amazon.com/Ego-Dynamic-Ground-Transpersonal-Development/dp/0791422569/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268859490&sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.com/Transpersonal-Psychology-Psychoanalytic-Perspective-Philosophy/dp/0791419541/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268859490&sr=8-2 http://www.amazon.com/Embodied-Spirituality-Transpersonal-Humanistic-Psychology/dp/0791458482/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268859490&sr=8-3
If you enjoy Wilber, you might find Washburn just as interesting, and perhaps even more challenging to read (I did).
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I tried reading some Wilber but really didn't like it for some reason.
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: deCypher]
#12219340 - 03/17/10 03:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why not, Cypher? I'm reading Boomeritis at the moment, and I have to admit it's poorly written as a fiction novel, but I have higher expectations for his non-fiction books. He seems intelligent enough to be looked into, plus he claims to have accomplished full satori
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Re: Ego death and the Godhead [Re: Tony]
#12219356 - 03/17/10 03:13 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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All true. IDK why I was bothered actually, I may have to reread him.
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