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Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation
    #12217535 - 03/17/10 08:58 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I see that Stamets and many others have quite a foot hold on producing a list of these types of fungi and pressing the spores/tissue into tabs and then you can use these to boost your garden substantially.

Now were all hobby mycologists, ranging in experience from new to quite advanced. Though I see no talk or work on how to pull off what Stamets and a few other companies are doing to make our own brew of these tabs without having spend a pile of money acquiring them from another company who's figured it out.

I suppose its somewhat affordable but...only if you have a tiny garden. $25 for 150 tabs. But if your plants are then 1 foot high, you'll be using 4+ tabs per plant. Use those suckers up real quick. Has anyone delved into finding how to cultivate or at least find a way to make these species grow nice and fat for use in our gardens?

I've been using good ol' Search Engines, but finding alot of complex articles that have nothing to do with cultivation but more on genetic DNA findings and other nonsense. I don't know if this belongs in Advance Mycology...if it does, it could be moved.


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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #12217700 - 03/17/10 09:54 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Stamets conveniently left that chapter out of his books.

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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: fungus_tao]
    #12217753 - 03/17/10 10:11 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

:lol: I know eh?

I vaguely recall seeing something on a hack-together site offhandedly mention cultivating mycozhorials but, nothing too substantial. It had something to do with 3rd world countries.

There was a mention (I'll have to find it) that there is a few plants that are particularly compatible with these types of fungus, that perhaps one could do potted plants of these kinds (they weren't tree's just flowers) and maybe using the tabs as starters would bring about large amounts? I dunno...maybe there are accelerators to expand these types beyond normal sizes? So little documentation that I've found. Maybe some good old fashioned blind experimenting would be in order.


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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #12218155 - 03/17/10 11:36 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

What you vaguely remember was posted at the end of your thread on mycorrhiza from last November/December.

Unless your garden is a forest, you are not after ectomycorrhiza. You are looking for VAM, a subtype of endomycorrhiza. There is a lot of documented research regarding cultivation of potted plants, just try different search terms.

But beware, what you usually read in the advertising is a big hype. I am very skeptical about burying a few of those tabs in the garden. As mycorrhizal fungi need to get into contact with growing root tips to form a symbiosis it makes more sense to mix some kind of powder or colonized soil into the garden soil before planting. But the involved fungi should be already present everywhere, only humans are able to destroy the natural soil life by applying insane amounts of chemical fertilizers, fungicidal substances, etc. It should be the best strategy to switch to organic gardening and to keep the soil life happy. Otherwise the expensive inoculants won't survive anyway.

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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: Mycelio]
    #12218357 - 03/17/10 12:14 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Hey Carsten,

I did make a thread there didn't I? Ha...my memory fails me at times. Alright, well what your saying makes alot of sense, I do stick to organic gardening, maybe its for the best.


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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #12219047 - 03/17/10 02:18 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Yes it is almost impossible to remember all our experiments, investigations and discussions.
For me composting, companion planting and leaving small weeds between the plants are most important. It even works on my balcony and with my citrus plants, which rely on a symbiosis with Glomus species.

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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: Mycelio]
    #12220887 - 03/17/10 08:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I think of the fungus, can consider to foster study, this will be a large market


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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: yy6666]
    #12225538 - 03/18/10 03:54 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

i believe( i lent out my  mycelium running at the moment) one of the species spores he uses is a common puff ball i think. his mixtures which i thought he had a liquid form is a blend of the puff ball and 4 other speices i cant recall off the top of my head.
its an interesting subject.


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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #12225899 - 03/18/10 04:54 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I'm lost. What do you mean by taps?


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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #12226275 - 03/18/10 05:56 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

psylosymonreturns said:
i believe( i lent out my  mycelium running at the moment) one of the species spores he uses is a common puff ball i think. his mixtures which i thought he had a liquid form is a blend of the puff ball and 4 other speices i cant recall off the top of my head.
its an interesting subject.



This must be Psiolithus tinctorius, very common in mycorrhiza inoculants, it forms symbiosis with all types of plants, regardless if ecto- or endomycorrhiza and prefers poor or dead soils, where no other fungi survive.
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/pisolithus_tinctorius.html
http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/jun2003.html

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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: Mycelio]
    #12248777 - 03/22/10 01:01 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Cistus was the genus of a flower I was thinking of.

:idea: Got it...


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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #12250317 - 03/22/10 05:44 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Cistus is a very interesting genus. These plants seem to be able to form both endo- and ectomycorrhiza.

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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation [Re: Mycelio]
    #12339079 - 04/05/10 10:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

this is interesting to me in the world of hydroponics.

the small clay balls to be exact. i find that if i use them as a bedding for the sporing mushroom and then introduce them to a new plant in a hydroponic setting the plants do better.

also if at the end of the plants cycle i introduce the clay balls to another system an improvement is noticed.

if spored on and dried then incubated the spores do grow and can be dried again with noticeable growth at which point they can be used or stored.

i have yet to try to dry them at the end of a plant cycle due to Ph and fertilizer contam but a good rinse might work..........hum......


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Re: Endo & Ecto Mycorrhizal Cultivation, totally wrong [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #12340819 - 04/06/10 07:34 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

dear!
Fungi perfecti aren´t growing mycorrhizal fungi. don´t even try to as it needs a lot of investment and knowledge to do so in a professional way...
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Mycorrhizal inoculum isn´t the same quality  purchased from different suppliers.


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