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OfflineGthirteens
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What produces stronger, healthier mycelium? BRF or Rye Grain
    #1219412 - 01/14/03 10:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Hello,

I'm just wondering if there's a reason why alot of people use Rye Grain to colonize their jars with. Less risk for contaminants? healthier mycelium?

I'm thinking of trying one of those self healing bags, with some rye grain. Wouldn't jars work better than those bags, since with jars I leave two holes on the lid, and put a couple coffee filters over top, so it gets fresh air! Doesn't this effect the colonizing of substrate, whether it's in a bag or a jar?

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Re: What produces stronger, healthier mycelium? BRF or Rye Grain [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1219544 - 01/15/03 01:56 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I personally haven't seen alot of sucess with bags.. As for BRF/Rye, I believe Rye colonizes quicker. Check the FAQ, I just woke up and dont feel like posting an url.


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Re: What produces stronger, healthier mycelium? BRF or Rye G [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1219561 - 01/15/03 02:13 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

grains colonize muuuch faster. I have some 1 pt Birdseed jars that I started 1 week after my 1 pt BRF jars and they're gonna finish about one week before my 1 pt. BRF jars. If that isn't reason enough, I dont know what is.


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Re: What produces stronger, healthier mycelium? BRF or Rye G [Re: Loop_Theorist]
    #1219605 - 01/15/03 02:57 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, that is alot faster colonization! I can't believe that! I knew there had to be a reason why alot of people use rye grain instead!

Looks like that's what I'm gonna try next! I'm thinking of buying 1lb pre-sterlized, self-healing injection site, rye grain from micronmagik . Has anybody else heard anything bad about these bags?

Thanks for the replies;)

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Re: What produces stronger, healthier mycelium? BRF or Rye G [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1219796 - 01/15/03 04:45 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I hear bad things about bags. Lots of people asking why they stall or fail to germinate at all. I'd save your pennies and but a pressure cooker. I got my Mirro 17 qt, with a pressure gauge and all for 89 bucks at a locak hardware store. The pressure cooker is VERY usefull, cutting my cooking time on my BRF Jars down to 30 mins and alowing me to explore the wonderfull world of grains and (as soon as I fix my glovebox) agar isolation and cloning.


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Re: What produces stronger, healthier mycelium? BRF or Rye G [Re: Loop_Theorist]
    #1219838 - 01/15/03 05:11 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Grains rock!!

i started some bird seed jars on jan 8th.. they are DONE!!!! and ready to do.

1 pint jars that is! in only 6 days after injection!!

brf cakes took me like a month and a half!

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Re: What produces stronger, healthier mycelium? BRF or Rye G [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1219871 - 01/15/03 05:40 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Grains are much more nutritious then then brf/verm cakes. In my opinion quart jars work alot better then those evil bags. The three bags I have tried to use all pooped out on me. Only problem with grains is they contaminate easier then the brf cakes but if you use polyfil in the liids or filter disks then the contam risk is greatly reduced. Just my opinion though.


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Re: What produces stronger, healthier mycelium? BRF or Rye G [Re: burntoutstarzzz]
    #1219876 - 01/15/03 05:43 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

oh, you can also shake the grains to distribute the mycelium once it gets going..

vs

brf, you have to wait for the mycelium to colonize the entire cake inch per inch.

and.. i find it easier to get the water content right.

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Re: What produces stronger, healthier mycelium? BRF or Rye G [Re: Curious_George]
    #1219955 - 01/15/03 06:14 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

yes, my very first try with birdseed was a complete success. all i did was pour the seed into a container, cover it in water, wait 24 hours, drain the water for 30 minutes, put into jars with filters and PC. done! no messing with verm or grinding flour. almost too easy. at 95% colonization on one quart jar, 75% on the other.


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Re: What produces stronger, healthier mycelium? BRF or Rye Grain [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1220331 - 01/15/03 08:54 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Grain is 5x easier and faster than BRF/VERM, but REQUIRES a PC and some sort of filter disc. My cat has had flawless results with quart jars so he sticks with them. He knows another cat who likes 1/2 gallon jars, but thinks that is possibly a little too much (they keep contaming).

If you ask me, I would say that BRF/VERM is a newbie stepping stone and best left in the past once your techniques mature enough to work with whole grain.

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