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OfflineDr. Slavic
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Freedom is a joke
    #1217451 - 01/14/03 11:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

freedom was always been a joke to me. The founding fathers were slave owners so anything they wrote is a fucking joke. And last time I was arrested I was walking through a parking lot sober with two friends going to are car. A cop stopped us and started questioning us on the way to the car. Asked if he can search me so I said no i haven't done anything to deserve it. By me saying no was resonable cause for a search. He found a 1/4 ounce on my and sent me off to jail for the night. I couldn't afford an attorney so I used a public defender. I told him what happened and that I was sober and not breaking the law(that the cop had any knowledge of). I asked if he would help get the charges dropped. He laughed and said since I'm not black or hispanic I had no chance since there was no discrimination. He told me I would go to jail for at least a month if I even tried to have the charges dropped. So I took a half year of probation and a 100$ fine instead which isn't much but I still should have never been arrested. So resonable doubt is just saying no when they ask to search you. So any white person can be search even though they haven't broken any laws or done anything at all. Yeah America the land of the free my ass!!!


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1217556 - 01/14/03 11:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That sucks, it's pretty pathetic that a person can do 30 days in the clink for 1/4 ounce of pot but beat the shit out of someone and get a small fine.......


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    #1217686 - 01/14/03 12:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1218143 - 01/14/03 03:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The grudge you bear against your masters is understandable!But what does it have to do with the founding fathers?If everything they said is a joke , then the police should be able to harass you anytime they want.


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: sirreal]
    #1218168 - 01/14/03 03:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

right you are sirreal unfortunatly for us, but still I accept them.


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Voodoo Doll]
    #1218200 - 01/14/03 03:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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right you are sirreal unfortunatly for us, but still I accept them.






Our masters?


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: sirreal]
    #1218213 - 01/14/03 03:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

the flying pigs.


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Voodoo Doll]
    #1218218 - 01/14/03 03:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Gotcha!


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: ]
    #1218332 - 01/14/03 04:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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You think the slaves were treated so badly? Take Washington for example- he treated his slave like a family member- not really giving much work anyway, but still rewarding her ( or was it him? hmmm) with stuff, eventually giving her freedom and some money and stuff to survive with. I tell you, Washington was a damn near perfect human being =\ ..



No matter how good your master treats you, if you're a slave it means your life belongs to someone else, and that is the ultimate denial of freedom.


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: ]
    #1218335 - 01/14/03 04:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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in the beginning of America, EVERYTHING was damn near full of freedom- clubs and organizations like "National Scientist Association" had to accept ANYONE.




Why should a private organization be forced to accept anybody which applies? That is a rediculous statement.


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: silversoul7]
    #1218607 - 01/14/03 06:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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No matter how good your master treats you, if you're a slave it means your life belongs to someone else, and that is the ultimate denial of freedom.



THAT is why I'm against socialism and communism and hold liberty as the highest political goal. Socialist, Communists, Facists, Monarchists, Democrats, Republicans all agree on the basic principle that someone else should be able to control you. They only argue as to the means and extent that you should be controlled.


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Evolving]
    #1218787 - 01/14/03 07:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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THAT is why I'm against socialism and communism and hold liberty as the highest political goal. Socialist, Communists, Facists, Monarchists, Democrats, Republicans all agree on the basic principle that someone else should be able to control you. They only argue as to the means and extent that you should be controlled.



While I respect this view of yours, I think it would be hard to make an argument that you could have a civilized society any larger than a small village without having some sort of laws to regulate behavior(such as murder, theft, rape, etc.) Also, I believe that all people should be provided with the basic means of living, and if I have to give up some of my earnings to do that, then so be it. Anarchy simply doesn't work with large populations.


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1219289 - 01/14/03 09:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yea man that sucks, there's really nothing you can do about that. In Mexico they'd throw in jail for just being American.


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Dilauded]
    #1219341 - 01/14/03 09:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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In Mexico they'd throw in jail for just being American. 


And in the US, they'd throw you in jail just for being Arabic. :wink:


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Skikid16]
    #1219355 - 01/14/03 09:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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And in the US, they'd throw you in jail just for being Arabic.



And in Iran/Iraq they throw u in jail or kill u for being christian :/


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: socratesmind]
    #1219359 - 01/14/03 09:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

And in the US, they'd throw you in jail just for being Arabic.



And in Iran/Iraq they throw u in jail or kill u for being christian :/





You forgot the Jews,
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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: socratesmind]
    #1219369 - 01/14/03 09:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

And in Canada they kill you just for being a baby seal. :tongue:


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Skikid16]
    #1219815 - 01/15/03 04:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That is hilarious!!! :grin: :grin: :grin:


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Skikid16]
    #1219971 - 01/15/03 06:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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And in Canada they kill you just for being a baby seal. :tongue: 



How do they treat baby green berets?


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    #1220415 - 01/15/03 09:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: ]
    #1220543 - 01/15/03 09:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

We strive to live as free as we possibly can.Being bound to nature is not the same as being bound to man.We can never truly break our bonds with nature, but mans bonds?They can be broken!


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: ]
    #1221026 - 01/15/03 12:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I know that we are never really free but whats this country coming to. If your arabic you can be locked up in solitary confinment(spellings wrong I know) for years for shit like not having your green card on you at the time they confront you. They don't just lock up men either. They put entire families in. Even babies. And if there were another terrorists act locking up a couple thousand families isn't going to stop it. You lock up one of there terrorist they send another to get the job done. And I heard something on the news about two u.s. pilots bombing a canadian base after being told for like 20 minutes to turn around since they left the u.s. air space. They said they thought arabs were firing on them but they knowingly flew over a canadian shooting range and were told to turn around long before that. They are going to trial but I would bet my life they get away with it.


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1221422 - 01/15/03 02:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If you fought it,at least you may have felt better about yourself.Don't blame the founding fathers because you have not the courage to stand up for yourself.Educate yourself,cause that cop played you like a cheap fiddle.Saying no is not probale cause,an although you would have probally lost in court,at least make em earn that donut.


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1221705 - 01/15/03 04:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Asked if he can search me so I said no i haven't done anything to deserve it. By me saying no was resonable cause for a search.




Nooo you musta been up to something  :smirk:...saying no to a search is definatly not reasonable cause to search..trust me, I've said no my fair share of times and never been searched!  Dude if you really wern't doing anything wrong you shoulda sued the pants off thelittle piggies.  Lawsuits...The AMERICAN way!!!  :grin: 

edit: nevermind, ater some thought I realized that you CAN be searched and arrested now, and not read your rights till after being put into holding.  thanks to the PATRIOT act!! God bless America!!


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Edited by FatNug (01/15/03 04:27 PM)


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: FatNug]
    #1222289 - 01/15/03 11:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Whats wrong with the people here?? COPS GET AWAY WITH MURDER!! I couldn't do a thing but go to jail if I tried anything. Thats not b.s. either. I asked many lawyers about it and every one of them said I was screwed. My friend was arrested with me and got the best lawyer in this county and he got a year of probation for 28 grams. He spent around 7 thousand on his lawyer and was told the same as me. If you fight it you without a doubt will go to jail. Probations not bad but still all we were doing is walking though a parking lot at 9 p.m. The first cop to arrive said some cars had been broken into lately(total B.S.) and that was his first reason for search. But the only other car in the parking lot was in front of the most lit open store in this town. On the main road too so noone would be stupid enough to think about breaking in a car. He then asked me if I was the brother of **** and I said I am remaining silent and will give him only the info to who I am. He then called for backup and when it arrived they search us all and took me and one of my friends off to jail. Cops can search for any reason and in this state they now have the right and permission to lie without any consequences. TO LIE ABOUT ANYTHING!!! NOT B.S. like i'm sure many of you are thinking. THE ONLY REASON THEY SEARCH ME IS BECAUSE OF MY BROTHER. Who I don't even talk to anymore since his habits ruined all his friendships. Anyway he hadn't been in trouble since about ten years ago and only for small stuff like curfew. Never drugs or theft and he doesn't even live around here anymore but when the cop saw that he was my brother he was determined to search me.


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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1222300 - 01/15/03 11:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Read these Steppenwolf lyrics slowly and carefully and maybe you will realize this country is not the great land of freedom but the land of greed and selfishness.

Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And 'til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our a homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

The blue and grey they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war over
They stuffed it just like a hog

And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey

The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'

Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching

(America)
America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster



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Re: Freedom is a joke [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1222303 - 01/15/03 11:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

" nevermind, ater some thought I realized that you CAN be searched and arrested now, and not read your rights till after being put into holding. thanks to the PATRIOT act!! God bless America!! "

Thank you very very much for posting that and also realizing the facts.


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