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B+ cake Really Need Advice!!
    #12159312 - 03/07/10 01:53 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Hello everyone, I need some advice about a brf B+ cubensis cake. Around the time the cake became 100% colonized it developed about 50-100 small brownish red pins. The cake was then birthed into a hepa filtered perilite fruiting chamber. All conditions were optimal. The only problem is that there was a VERY SLIGHT yellowing from a small amount of water that was in the jar for approx. the last 2 days. It has been in the chamber now for 3 days, it looks healthy and better than when i took it out of the jar... but the pins don't seem to be growing, i dont know whats wrong. and advice would be incredibly appreciated!! i will try to get pics.


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: nirvana89]
    #12159354 - 03/07/10 02:00 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Hello everyone, I need some advice about a brf B+ cubensis cake. Around the time the cake became 100% colonized it developed about 50-100 small brownish red pins. The cake was then birthed into a hepa filtered perilite fruiting chamber. All conditions were optimal. The only problem is that there was a VERY SLIGHT yellowing from a small amount of water that was in the jar for approx. the last 2 days. It has been in the chamber now for 3 days, it looks healthy and better than when i took it out of the jar... but the pins don't seem to be growing, i dont know whats wrong. and advice would be incredibly appreciated!! i will try to get pics.



was the yellow in the jars if so it is most likly matabolites and is okay, you should just wait to see what happens let em grow, and what color are the heads?


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: hashmore]
    #12159369 - 03/07/10 02:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

do not keep the filter on constantly as it will dry out the cakes/perlite way to quickly


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: hashmore]
    #12159589 - 03/07/10 03:04 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

the pins are a nice reddish brown and very small and many of them, there are 2 filters on the top so should i cover them and only let it breathe a couple hours a day?


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: nirvana89]
    #12159590 - 03/07/10 03:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

There is no need to filter a fruiting chamber and you should fan it 5-6 times a day. and mist before fanning. mist 3-4 times a day


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: nirvana89]
    #12159596 - 03/07/10 03:06 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

and the yellow was on the cake but only in the slightest and right near the water drops, from what iv read it was mild water damage what do you think? the yellow is all gone now


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: nirvana89]
    #12159612 - 03/07/10 03:10 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I have have gotten faint yellow spots if i leave the cakes colonizing too long, you should be fine either way, you have a pic of your fc set up?


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: nirvana89]
    #12159791 - 03/07/10 03:54 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i will try to get some pics thanks for the advice


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: nirvana89]
    #12159870 - 03/07/10 04:12 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i think it would have been better to birth the cake before it started pinning. The pins may have aborted when being handled and change in fruiting conditions.


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: Kevin_X2]
    #12159884 - 03/07/10 04:15 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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i think it would have been better to birth the cake before it started pinning. The pins may have aborted when being handled and change in fruiting conditions.



Of course, but sometimes its not up to you, it just happens sometimes, even before the cake is fully colonized


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: hashmore]
    #12160088 - 03/07/10 04:55 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

ahaha true enough, i forgot about that. I've never actually had that happen to me with about 40 successful jars under my belt.

40 pins is a ton though!


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: Kevin_X2]
    #12160285 - 03/07/10 05:31 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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i think it would have been better to birth the cake before it started pinning. The pins may have aborted when being handled and change in fruiting conditions.




I personally found by accident that if I let a BRF cake pin invitro then birth and dunk it, those first shrooms are larger than the first flush of ones that I let pin in the chamber.

I've suddenly become a big fan of pinning invitro then dunking, and then dunking and rolling for the second flush.

But yes, be careful not to knock off pins.  They do awesome in the water (no drowning) so don't worry there.


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: potgrrl]
    #12160336 - 03/07/10 05:44 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Pins should double in size every 24 hours if not they have aborted..E


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: electrics]
    #12160810 - 03/07/10 07:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i wouldnt say they have doubled in size but they seem to be growing slowly. iv made sure the chamber has high humidity now. should I mist with a small amount of hydrogen peroxide in the water or just water?


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: potgrrl]
    #12160938 - 03/07/10 07:42 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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i wouldnt say they have doubled in size but they seem to be growing slowly. iv made sure the chamber has high humidity now. should I mist with a small amount of hydrogen peroxide in the water or just water?



Do not mist with h202 you should just mist with plain ol h20 and fan afterward
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i think it would have been better to birth the cake before it started pinning. The pins may have aborted when being handled and change in fruiting conditions.




I personally found by accident that if I let a BRF cake pin invitro then birth and dunk it, those first shrooms are larger than the first flush of ones that I let pin in the chamber.

I've suddenly become a big fan of pinning invitro then dunking, and then dunking and rolling for the second flush.

But yes, be careful not to knock off pins.  They do awesome in the water (no drowning) so don't worry there.



Yeah if that works for you by all means, but you have to take into the risk factor because if you just happen to handel it just a little to rough or tap the pin a little to hard, that will not grow further


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: hashmore]
    #12163713 - 03/08/10 10:16 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

so, since this cake is full of pins, i was initially very excited. now im just confused. these pins do not sick out from the cake (they have no small stems). They are all little pin heads just sitting on the cake. like little moles over it, but the cake looks healthy and the pin heads have a nice color. they have not seem to have grown at all in 4 days and im getting concerned, im using a lava lamp about 1 1/2- 2 feet away thats blue. i give it no more than 6 hrs of light a day but it gets the slightest amount of natural light from under the closet door, no direct light. I am a slight noob but im extremely cautious and my setup is nicely developed, no contams, nice growth in jars, but this is something iv never seen or found on this site.

ps. cake is b+. brf, w the taller type of slightly wide mouthed 8 oz jar, cake is on aluminum foil on perilite. no contams. many pins, no growth, coming up on day 5. cake was not dunked because there was some water droplets forming in jar/ sightest water damage, but was allowed to absorb water when birthed, water damage gone. (described earlier in thread). Is there a chance that the myc. just needed to repair itselt before it continued fruiting?? thanks all


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: nirvana89]
    #12163723 - 03/08/10 10:19 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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so, since this cake is full of pins, i was initially very excited. now im just confused. these pins do not sick out from the cake (they have no small stems). They are all little pin heads just sitting on the cake. like little moles over it, but the cake looks healthy and the pin heads have a nice color. they have not seem to have grown at all in 4 days and im getting concerned, im using a lava lamp about 1 1/2- 2 feet away thats blue. i give it no more than 6 hrs of light a day but it gets the slightest amount of natural light from under the closet door, no direct light. I am a slight noob but im extremely cautious and my setup is nicely developed, no contams, nice growth in jars, but this is something iv never seen or found on this site.

ps. cake is b+. brf, w the taller type of slightly wide mouthed 8 oz jar, cake is on aluminum foil on perilite. no contams. many pins, no growth, coming up on day 5. cake was not dunked because there was some water droplets forming in jar/ sightest water damage, but was allowed to absorb water when birthed, water damage gone. (described earlier in thread). Is there a chance that the myc. just needed to repair itselt before it continued fruiting?? thanks all





Its best to give them 12/12 light using a 6500K florescent. Also you should always always dunk the cake after birthing and between flushes. What can happen now is if your cakes get a good pin set the cake might not have enough moisture in it thus making all your fruits small.

Sometimes cakes can take over a week to pin sounds like your cakes are going to be pinning soon


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: Shea25]
    #12164702 - 03/08/10 01:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Pictures?

And if you look at some of the other BRF grow logs around with their pins to harvest pics, do you see abouts where you are?

Pins grow very slowly initially, then very quickly once they gain size, so it's hard to tell.


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: Shea25]
    #12164808 - 03/08/10 02:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Its best to give them 12/12 light using a 6500K florescent. Also you should always always dunk the cake after birthing and between flushes. What can happen now is if your cakes get a good pin set the cake might not have enough moisture in it thus making all your fruits small.

Sometimes cakes can take over a week to pin sounds like your cakes are going to be pinning soon




The first thing I thought when I read this post was "did you dunk it?"
Shea beat me to it. :matrixfight:
If you didn't dunk then IMHO thats your problem. That would explain the stalled pin growth. If this is the case dunk it now. Pins and all they will be fine or not doesn't matter if they die it'll grow more fast.

edit- never use H2O2 thats for fighting cobweb mold. Make a shotgun FC THATS optimal not the hepa filter blahblah things that look like they are so expensive to make you could just go buy some dealer shrooms. Shotgun FC takes 10 min to make and costs 15 bucks including 2 bags of perlite for a HUGE chamber. 


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Re: B+ cake Really Need Advice!! [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #12164833 - 03/08/10 02:10 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I have one question ... Is it cool to mix vermiculite with rice flour and not brown rice flour ( beacuse i didnt find BRF in store :S ) soo i have just rice flour ? Is it alright ? Tnx for answers byby


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