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Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate??
    #1215781 - 01/13/03 08:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I recently edited and locked this post. The post previously contained nude images of 14 and 16 year old girls. One of them was carrying a mushroom. This thread has been started to openly discuss the appropriateness of such images. Please feel free to post any opinions on the subject.

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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Joshua]
    #1215791 - 01/13/03 08:54 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I thought one of the hierarchy confirmed they were of consenting age.

Granted, that chick on the right looked WAY too young.


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: KillerClown]
    #1215811 - 01/13/03 08:59 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I went to the site where the pics seem to have originated. One of the girls was 14 at the time of the pics.

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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Joshua]
    #1215835 - 01/13/03 09:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

It's complete bullshit that your thread got censored. I thought it was established that those girls were "of age". Even if they were not, the girls weren't in any sexually suggestive postitions. This is an example of censorship at it's worst. I'm on your side Joshua.


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Joshua]
    #1215842 - 01/13/03 09:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

My favorite part of the thread was this:

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Prostitutes 'offer sex in woods to mushroom pickers'

Wild mushroom pickers in the Czech republic say prostitutes are offering them oral sex in the woods.

They're apparently offering the service for ?6 a time behind trees in north Bohemia's woodland.

Mushroom picking is one the Czech Republic's favourite national pastimes.




I couldn't make up something that good! :grin:

Seriously, underage nude pictures can't be allowed becasue they are illegal, and we don't want to give THE MAN an axcuse to shut us down... :crazy:


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: kosmic_charlie]
    #1215883 - 01/13/03 09:14 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

To be honest, you are not on my side completely. I provided the censorship. Please note that I do not consider the images to be pornography either. It was the response to the pics that ultimately caused me to edit the post. I felt that there were definite sexual references from users in regards to the pics.

I honestly have difficulty w/ censorship. It is very hard for me to tell if/when it is appropriate. I used personal judgement in my ultimate determination. This post is to help me understand whether my judgement was approprate and to give users a way to provide feedback regarding the issue.

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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Papaver]
    #1215894 - 01/13/03 09:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Seriously, underage nude pictures can't be allowed becasue they are illegal, and we don't want to give THE MAN an axcuse to shut us down...




I totally believe that any sexually suggestive pictures of underage girls should not be allowed. But the pictures that he posted were completely innocent. WTF?!!. So we see some breats and a little pubic hair. What the hell is the big deal?


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Joshua]
    #1215912 - 01/13/03 09:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You did the right thing. You used your authority appropriately, and in the long run you protect us all from possible persecution. We don't want any over-zealous investigators building a strong enough case that a federal judge would issue warrants for whatever information they want to put their hands on. Lets keep in mind what goes on here. I've been thinking back on some of my posts, and I'd rather not have that information sitting in a manilla folder somewhere with my name on it.

And in the long run, I'd much rather be censored by you than a government official.


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Joshua]
    #1215918 - 01/13/03 09:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I honestly have difficulty w/ censorship. It is very hard for me to tell if/when it is appropriate.




These pics have been posted here a dozen times. Obviously the only person that has a real problem with them is you. I can search the archives and find these exact pics. You're the one that censored them. It's inevitable that other people are going to make lewd jokes at them. But when it comes down to it, WTF is so bad about these pics?


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Edited by kosmic_charlie (01/13/03 09:26 PM)


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: kosmic_charlie]
    #1215925 - 01/13/03 09:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The big deal is that I interpreted the response of members to indicate that the images were suggestive to members. Here is a quote from the thread, "and here is another of the beautiful younger looking hungry for your body one."

This tells me that members did see the pictures as suggestive. I can forsee that this type of judgement is very touchy. I understand that I should be careful when attempting to sensor based on what I interpret others to think. However debatable the issue is, I do feel at heart that sensorship should be based on the maturity of those viewing the subject matter. I will see if I can find the legalities of displaying nude pictures on the net.

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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: kosmic_charlie]
    #1215938 - 01/13/03 09:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You're arguing the wrong point with the wrong person. The moderators job is just what it sounds like: to moderate the content of these message boards. It's not Joshua you need to convince of the benality of those pictures, it's the government employee that is paid to sit on a computer every day and look for obscene pictures of minors. Those pictures do not come with a built in disclaimer that says "all chicks over 18", you judge how old they are when you look at them, and at least 2 of those girls appeared to be under 18. Hell, one didn't even look 16.

How hard do you think it would be to convince a Judge that the women in those pictures are under 18? Especially when he is told it was posted on a drug site?


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Joshua]
    #1215946 - 01/13/03 09:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I see your point. My current drunkeness has made me a bit edgy. I guess I'm viewing the issue from an objective point of view. When I go back and read all that was written in response to these pics, I am better able to see your point. But still, the "heat" over these pics makes me sick.


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Joshua]
    #1215957 - 01/13/03 09:39 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Very appropriate, they were the shroomery girls. I even had them as my desktop once.


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: KillerClown]
    #1215961 - 01/13/03 09:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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It's not Joshua you need to convince of the benality of those pictures, it's the government employee that is paid to sit on a computer every day and look for obscene pictures of minors.




That is a very good point! :cool:


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: KillerClown]
    #1215976 - 01/13/03 09:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You find those pictures posted obscene??

You have a sick mind.


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Joshua]
    #1215985 - 01/13/03 09:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You did the right thing. It wasn't an issue of peoples opinions or censorship this issue was pretty black and white. It was purely an issue of legality and you did the right thing.
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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Anno]
    #1216004 - 01/13/03 10:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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You have a sick mind.




Why yes, thank you for noticing.

Naked pictures of a male or female not of consenting age is considered obscene. I understand that you believe the closer they are to 18, the less obscene they become, and I wish you mucho luck in arguing your point of view with a prosecuting DA. Laws don't flex for your personal opinion of obscenity.

I don't have a sense of moral outrage, I could give a shit less how old they were from a moral standpoint. This is one of the benefits of being an Atheist; flexible morality. They all seemed to be pretty willing to do whatever it was they were doing, and as long as they weren't doing it to me it doesn't concern me.


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Joshua]
    #1216007 - 01/13/03 10:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

What a tangled web we weave, but in situations like these I believe its better to err on the side of caution!


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: KillerClown]
    #1216010 - 01/13/03 10:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Anno lives is a different country. In europe they are into "naturalism" a lot more than in these Puritanical United States. Unfortunatly, we must adhere to US rules and conventions... :crazy:

However, it sounds like we are all in agreement that Joshua did the right thing -- what he had to do... :shrug:


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Re: Nude Underage Pics--How Appropriate?? [Re: Papaver]
    #1216018 - 01/13/03 10:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I agree, the pics are not "obscene". We may have established that they are not suitable but they certainly aren't obscene!


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