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claraclairvoyant
well oiled machine



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Gastronomicus said: "And women killed it" -Chris Rock
Dudes. The date is dead. So here's the situation: I'm trying to ask this cute girl from one of my classes out smoothly without being all like "uhhh do you want to go on a date with me?" Because that shit never works. But she is, for some reason, not keen on me getting tickets (tryin to go to a nuggets game). I have a job and make pretty good bank for a college kid so it's really no issue at all for me to drop 50 bucks for a couple tickets every once in a while. I'm pretty sure this girl digs me, sits next to me in class, definitely flirts, claims she's attending love-a-ginger-week etc... I'm at a loss. Do girls just want to get messed up and fuck these days? I'm pretty much an old-school romantic and if I like a girl I'm gonna ask her out on a date, but she's the third girl I've pursued who doesn't want me to pay for them. What the fuck ladies. What the fuck
No, no, no. I love all that old fashioned crap. I want it
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Hajnal
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Re: Chivalry is Dead [Re: shroombab]
#12146603 - 03/05/10 02:24 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well put. I wouldn't necessarily call it sad though, it's more so looking out for yourself and seeking that which you want in life. The sad part is that nobody is aware of this and just go with the flow not understanding anything. Granted it's hard to meet another individual who is at that level of understanding, I just think all in all if people were more self-aware, this world would run much smoother.
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Spaced_Cowboy
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Re: Chivalry is Dead [Re: Hajnal]
#12146919 - 03/05/10 04:52 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't wanna meet your name, I dont wanna know what set you from I just wanna bang, I don't wanna meet your moms, I just wanna hang and relax while you give me some brain
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Maverick
Lover of Earwigs!




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Chivalry is dead. Take her to a bar and buy her a beer and talk sports. That'll teach her!
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0smosis
some universe particles



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Re: Chivalry is Dead [Re: Maverick]
#12146968 - 03/05/10 05:39 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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The problem is in trying to lump an entire gender into one theory because it can't be done since each person is an individual. I think men call women crazy many times when they just would prefer to be able to predict them and can't and get frustrated. Since the strict roles of gender have generally broken down quite a lot (good thing because it frees up individuality), people are more unpredictable, men and women. Like alternatereality said about expectation, some women don't want to feel they are being "bought" for fear that it is creating expectations that they might not be ready for or they may just feel it is an unfair balance. Some women do prefer paying gestures but it just depends on the person you are talking about, just like men. Some men believe they should pay, some think it is unfair for them to always pay, some think it should be equal and women deal with men individually on that too and they might end up agreeing or disagreeing about it.. But that's the mystery of getting to know someone, that person can't be predicted in every way and how you act and approach everything, including money, will tell her something about who you are and how you think.. she may like that .. she may not. So just be yourself.
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fapjack
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I don't think asking a girl out to a basketball game was a good idea in the first place. Not a lot of girls like sporting events, unless of course she gave you some hint that she did. If she really liked you though, she wouldn't say no to you asking her out without at least asking you out in response IMO. I think your gonna get shot down to be honest.
Also fuck chivalry, wanna know what my first date consisted of, sneaking my now current girlfriend into a movie while I had a pocket full of money. I showed her how cheap I was from the door, if she didn't like it, it just wouldn't work out.
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Set
candy colored clown


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alternatereality said: I can only speak for myself here, but I'm only hesitant to let guys pay because I feel like that's not really fair. I don't like making other people pay for things when I'm able to pay for myself. I just feel bad about it. And also, depending on what kind of vibe you put out, there's sort of the assumption that if you let a guy pay for you, you're more obligated to return the favor. It sort of locks it into it being a date, instead of just hanging out and having fun and deciding later whether you want it to be or not. If that makes any sense.
this is how guys get put in the "friend zone"
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AlteredAgain
Visual Alchemist



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Re: Chivalry is Dead [Re: Shroomism]
#12147179 - 03/05/10 07:58 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Just Be Real

it's really that simple.
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learningtofly
Ancient Aliens



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It was Dave Chappelle, not Chris Rock
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teeter
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Women as a group always want to be equal to men; in the workplace, at home, at school, in everything. Their arguement is, we are people too and we deserve to be treated and judged on a case to case basis, not as a group. This is a logical thing to ask for and I'm pretty sure everyone with a fucking brain would agree that women are people and we should judge them just because they are slightly smaller and have two major differences in physical appearance. Chivalry died when women got fed up with being slaves to their husbands and being second class citizens. You can't ask to be treated equally and then get mad when a guy doesn't pay for everything you do and other things like that. Chivalry is from a time when women were considered second class, so it is dead because it makes no sense today. Just treat that girl like you would anyone else, except for trying to get with her. Theres nothing wrong with being polite (holding doors, etc.), but it actually probably makes it look like you're trying too hard when you insist on paying the bill or insist on opening her car door for her.
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fapjack
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Re: Chivalry is Dead [Re: teeter]
#12147305 - 03/05/10 08:53 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Women as a group do not want to be equal to men, that's really a generalization, it depends on the individual. We are different in many ways, and not equal in all of them. The men are the hunter, the women are the gatherer, its been that way for thousands of years and the past 100 years of "progress" aren't going to change that. Women deserve the same rights as men,
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0smosis
some universe particles



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Re: Chivalry is Dead [Re: fapjack]
#12148570 - 03/05/10 01:08 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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There are instances in history where men were gatherers and women did hunting or the two did much of the same things. So the lines are not concretely fixed. There is also evidence of male historians rewriting history to cover up matriarchal cultures and warrior women. Animalistically speaking, it seems to be in men's general interest to attain some reproductive control by keeping women subordinate. It is in women's reproductive interest to be free and uncontrolled. Those clashing interests are all about control over mating and genes and consequentially, the evolution of humans. This is why in the natural world males want control of females and females want control of themselves. Animalistically females will prefer to pick genes to pass on through reproduction based on the male's ability to gather resources and paying for things seems to be a modern gesture voicing these underlying forces. Even if a woman is equally capable, she has a better chance of surviving with her baby when there is extra help and resources when she is indisposed. When women assert their own control and have the same access to resources, these paying-for-the-other gestures can become less meaningful from a "check out my resources" standpoint. So logically, maybe whoever has the most "resources" should pay.. that is if there is going to be this sharing gesture that promotes togetherness and relationships. But I am just one individual and everyone here seems to have slightly different opinions so it just goes to show you can't blanket an issue so abstractly.
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teeter
Mindfucked



Registered: 02/07/09
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Re: Chivalry is Dead [Re: 0smosis]
#12148730 - 03/05/10 01:33 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't mean that all women want to be equal to men. I meant that in the past century, that has been a major goal of women as a whole. All I was saying was that the whole women's rights movement pretty much killed chivalry by making the whole concept go completely against what women want. If women want equal rights (which they should have), its a pretty obvious double standard if they turn around and expect men to treat them differently (obviously some things still hold ex: violence against women is still a no-no) when it comes to everyday things like splitting a bill or opening a door for them.
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MissXT
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Re: Chivalry is Dead [Re: fapjack]
#12148828 - 03/05/10 01:50 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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fapjack said: I don't think asking a girl out to a basketball game was a good idea in the first place. Not a lot of girls like sporting events, unless of course she gave you some hint that she did. If she really liked you though, she wouldn't say no to you asking her out without at least asking you out in response IMO. I think your gonna get shot down to be honest.
Also fuck chivalry, wanna know what my first date consisted of, sneaking my now current girlfriend into a movie while I had a pocket full of money. I showed her how cheap I was from the door, if she didn't like it, it just wouldn't work out.
i have to disagree, i think sporting events are a great idea to take her.....just straight up ask her, dont play around, I bet she says yes.
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0smosis
some universe particles



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Re: Chivalry is Dead [Re: MissXT]
#12148963 - 03/05/10 02:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Even if she doesn't particularly like the sport itself, lots of people like to go and just cheer and have a beer or two. Even when I don't give a crap what is going on in the sport, I enjoy the ridiculous sight of people running back and forth so I just sit there and laugh and feel the unity of everyone screaming together. Especially with a few beers, it's a hoot.
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