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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12163406 - 03/08/10 08:52 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I'm also somewhat suspicios that they are much more susceptible to voltage fluctuations, especially considering their unsuitability for dimmers.  This can be problematic in a house with older wiring.  Like mine. 

LEDS do seem to be very much better.  Call me when they don't cost a billion dollars.


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #12163459 - 03/08/10 09:11 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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No one has mentioned it, but LED are GREAT for lighting. More expensive them CFLs, but if you dont like them for Mercury or any other reason, then LEDs are a great way to go.

They come in several different colors and will literally last for just about your entire life. Great for accents and lighting up wall painting to lighting full size rooms



Ive got LEDS haning in our bathroom, alot more gentle in the mornings!!!


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Asante]
    #12167458 - 03/08/10 10:07 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Good point my friend Wiccan, but there's a couple things I don't like about CFL's that prevent me from using them inside my entire place...

#1. Most are not Dimmable. I have all my lamps on dimmers, because like your post is about, it saves electricity use by *not* use as much all the time. Plus, it makes it look better than full brightness, and when your shrooms, the last thing you want is bright lamps. There are some CFL's that are dimmable, but they are so expensive! Kinda defeats the purpose, but at least its available.

#2. The color of CFL's is unpleasant. There's something pleasant about the warm color of incand. that's hard to give up to CFl's......CFL's just look so unnatural, while incand. look more like daylight, or at least daylight near sunset. Although there are bulbs in the 3,500K color range, but it still doesn't quite look like incand. This is the main reason I don't put them in my place: the light looks so "futuristic", it makes me less human and more robotic. Weird, I know.

#3. They are not full brightness from the start. A minor set-back, but still not so good when I'm trying to find something and CFL bulb has to warm up.

But in comparison to incand main draw-back, the set-backs of CFL's is nothing...

A. Incand. bulbs are VERY inefficient in light production. I think its like 80% of the energy inputed into the bulb is converted to heat, which is OK in the winter (heats up the house a little), but bad during the summer.

If they made a cheap, dimmable, warm-light that looks like an incand CFL I would TOTALLY buy them, no doubt. Plus, they just look damn cool, even psychedelic with its prepetual spirals...

But I like the idea of CFL's, I'm just not ready to sacrifice the natural-looking, "human-friendly", dare I say "romantic" quality of incandescent bulbs light for the robo-sillyness of CFL's....

Someday, I'll do the sacrifice for the improvement of the environment....just not today.

Its just not my kind of light....
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #12167678 - 03/08/10 10:40 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

they have these new CFL's that are covered in a plastic bulb, it brings them a tiny bit closer to incandecent, if you have recessed lights you could then put another plastic filter and i imagine this would get rid of the blinding light aspect to them which is what i hate most about them, they are just to dam bright


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12168973 - 03/09/10 06:38 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)




Not just that they can be SMALL too.

OSRAM, PHILIPS and MEGAMAN are very good brands if you don't molest them. You pay a lot more than with the cheapo's though but the longer service life earns that back.

But even with the cheap supermarket brands.. if they last as long as a regular incandescents they STILL are cost effective because saving 80% of wattage during that period is MANY times the increased cost of purchase.

I use LED for my two lights that I use often and only briefly. LED is not as cost efffective as CFL except in cases of lamps that are switched on and off many times a day (like in the bathroom)

No dimmers (unless with dimmable lamps), room temperature environments and stable voltage though!


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Asante]
    #12170119 - 03/09/10 11:42 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

so i switch my lights on and off a million times a day so this stuff is useless for me right?


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: hidenseek]
    #12170540 - 03/09/10 12:51 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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so i switch my lights on and off a million times a day so this stuff is useless for me right?




why do you use lights during the day?


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #12171452 - 03/09/10 02:58 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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so i switch my lights on and off a million times a day so this stuff is useless for me right?




why do you use lights during the day?




Because....... he can!


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #12173928 - 03/09/10 09:08 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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so i switch my lights on and off a million times a day so this stuff is useless for me right?




why do you use lights during the day?



Because he doesn't live in a translucent refrigerator box in the land of the midnight sun?


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12175909 - 03/10/10 05:47 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

wintertime.......



Anyways, I turn on and off lights as I enter and leave rooms. Lights are not Just left on in my house so CFL's are useless to me.

You'd have to retrain yourself to leave lights on even when you're not in the room to make these effecient. But that makes no sense, leaving a light on just for the sake of bulb efficicy.

You see the problem here is these bulbs ar emarketed as a replacement for incandesents when thay are a completly unsuitable replacement. They arent marketed as only suitable for situations where lights are on all the time like public hallways etc.

They appeal to folk jumping on the green bandwagon without actually stopping and thinking before opening their wallets and throwing out great wads of cash.


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Fleadh]
    #12175992 - 03/10/10 06:32 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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They appeal to folk jumping on the green bandwagon without actually stopping and thinking before opening their wallets and throwing out great wads of cash.




That.


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #12176009 - 03/10/10 06:40 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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so i switch my lights on and off a million times a day so this stuff is useless for me right?




why do you use lights during the day?





theres 24 hours in a day , when am i supposed to use my lights?


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: hidenseek]
    #12176472 - 03/10/10 09:39 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

The old style of bulb is slowly being phased out in the UK, 100W incandescent bulbs are now illegal (as of late last year) to sell, and I believe the plan is to slowly do this for all wattages over the next decade or so.

I've had only these 'Energy Saving Bulbs' for years. I have a packet right here, nowhere does it say "Compact Fluorescent Light Bulb" or anything similar on it.

Never had one fail, and I find that if you buy better brands - they light up quicker. The ones I have usually light up instantly (I can't stand those that take 30 seconds to become useful) We've got a lot of choice in brand / shape / brightness / fitting here.

Are these not as common in the US?


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Fleadh]
    #12177357 - 03/10/10 12:32 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Anyways, I turn on and off lights as I enter and leave rooms. Lights are not Just left on in my house so CFL's are useless to me.



No, you can turn them on and off. I turn my CFLs off when I leave the room (not for a piss). They are just not to be used as stroboscopes :grin:.

Then again, they are much more efficient so it would be more efficient to just leave them on than turn off your normal bulbs.

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Are these not as common in the US?



I don't think so. I guess it's the same as with cars, refrigerators, etc. Most Americans seem to like big energy eating products. Energy prices in Europe are also much higher.


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Fleadh]
    #12177435 - 03/10/10 12:46 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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They appeal to folk jumping on the green bandwagon without actually stopping and thinking before opening their wallets and throwing out great wads of cash.




Also this
http://www.newsweek.com/id/234674
Apparently they think it's a license to steal:

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In the case of environmental hypocrisy, that "more" may be the virtuous glow we get from doing one little green thing: it casts an outsize moral halo. That is, we feel so righteous when we buy organic food or a compact fluorescent bulb or a Prius that our internal moral cup runneth over. According to this model, which is called compensatory ethics (see the PDF of the first paper on this Web site), people have an inner sense of how morally virtuous they need to feel to support their self-image. If a few actions (including espousing actions for other people) are enough to justify how we like to think of ourselves, then we do not need to perform any additional virtuous actions. It's as if we accumulate moral points for ethical actions, and having accumulated "enough" we are free to act amorally, or even immorally. That's why reminding people of what wonderful humanitarians they are causes them to give less to charity.





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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12240691 - 03/21/10 08:07 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I turn my cfl's on and off all the time with no problems. I also use them on dimmers. Different brands work better than others just like any other product on the market. Researh a brand then buy that one.
I saw a drop of about 50 dollars in my monthly bills from replacing 12 lights.


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: TexasMyco]
    #12281623 - 03/27/10 08:27 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

The CFL mercury nightmare

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How much money does it take to screw in a compact fluorescent light bulb? About US$4.28 for the bulb and labour -- unless you break the bulb. Then you, like Brandy Bridges of Ellsworth, Maine, could be looking at a cost of about US$2,004.28, which doesn't include the costs of frayed nerves and risks to health.

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The potentially hazardous CFL is being pushed by companies such as Wal-Mart, which wants to sell 100 million CFLs at five times the cost of incandescent bulbs during 2007, and, surprisingly, environmentalists.

It's quite odd that environmentalists have embraced the CFL, which cannot now and will not in the foreseeable future be made without mercury. Given that there are about five billion light bulb sockets in North American households, we're looking at the possibility of creating billions of hazardous waste sites such as the Bridges' bedroom.




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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12285790 - 03/28/10 12:02 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/

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Before Clean-up: Air Out the Room

    * Have people and pets leave the room, and don't let anyone walk through the breakage area on their way out.
    * Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
    * Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.

Clean-Up Steps for Hard Surfaces

    * Carefully scoop up glass pieces and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
    * Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
    * Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place towels in the glass jar or plastic bag.
    * Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.

Clean-up Steps for Carpeting or Rug

    * Carefully pick up glass fragments and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
    * Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
    * If vacuuming is needed after all visible materials are removed, vacuum the area where the bulb was broken.
    * Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister), and put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed plastic bag.

Clean-up Steps for Clothing, Bedding and Other Soft Materials

    * If clothing or bedding materials come in direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from inside the bulb that may stick to the fabric, the clothing or bedding should be thrown away. Do not wash such clothing or bedding because mercury fragments in the clothing may contaminate the machine and/or pollute sewage.
    * You can, however, wash clothing or other materials that have been exposed to the mercury vapor from a broken CFL, such as the clothing you are wearing when you cleaned up the broken CFL, as long as that clothing has not come into direct contact with the materials from the broken bulb.
    * If shoes come into direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from the bulb, wipe them off with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place the towels or wipes in a glass jar or plastic bag for disposal.

Disposal of Clean-up Materials

    * Immediately place all clean-up materials outdoors in a trash container or protected area for the next normal trash pickup.
    * Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing clean-up materials.
    * Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific area. Some states do not allow such trash disposal. Instead, they require that broken and unbroken mercury-containing bulbs be taken to a local recycling center.

Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug: Air Out the Room During and After Vacuuming

    * The next several times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system and open a window before vacuuming.
    * Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least 15 minutes after vacuuming is completed.





Even unbroken CFLs are considered hazardous waste.
http://www.epa.gov/epawaste/hazard/wastetypes/universal/lamps/live.htm

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Households and consumers can use the links below to find out where to take their used fluorescent light bulbs, including compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs). Businesses can learn about how to properly recycle/dispose of used mercury-containing light bulbs by visiting Universal Waste Handlers - Steps to Managing Your Universal Waste Lamps in an Environmentally-Safe Manner.

Use the links below to find out about household hazardous waste collection programs in your area. Households and consumers can often recycle/dispose of their mercury-containing bulbs by taking them to their local household hazardous waste collection program. Household hazardous waste collection programs are usually organized by counties or local solid waste authorities. These programs will vary by location. Contact your local solid waste authority for more details, or use the links below.

    * In general, household hazardous waste collection programs accept waste only from residents, although some programs include small businesses as well.
    * The service is usually free, though some may charge a small fee.
    * Some household hazardous waste collection programs only collect these items once or twice a year, so residents will have to hold on to their light bulbs until the collection takes place. Other collection programs provide collection services throughout the year.
    * In addition to mercury-containing light bulbs, these programs may also collect paints, pesticides, cleaning supplies or batteries.

Choose your region or state from the map below to find where to take your mercury-containing light bulbs (i.e. fluorescent light bulbs and compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs)).




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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12289518 - 03/28/10 08:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

We've eaten this shit up and now the fools in power are going to take away our right to choose. I'm seriously thinking about stocking up before they ban incandescent completely.


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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
    #12289534 - 03/28/10 08:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

this is the DIY forum someone post a tek on making incandescent bulbs lol


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