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 Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! 
#12144768 - 03/04/10 08:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Replace your lightbulbs with quality compact fluorescents. While normal Edison lamps have a median life of 1.000 hours, compact fluorescents tend to have median lives of 6.000-18.000 hours.
If you buy a good brand it will not be cheap, but they will ride out their full duration, and in doing so each lamp will save you between $25-$250 in energy.
You read that right: you just screw in a CF bulb, it lasts multiple times longer than a edison bulb (so less hassle changing bulbs) and once its service life is over it has saved you $25-$250 in energy per lamp in addition to paying themselves back.
Also, the time that CFs gave a "cold" white light is over, at least for quality bulbs, which by utilizing lower plasma temperatures give the pleasant tones we're used to.
These lamps only require 20-25% of the energy edison bulbs need to produce as much visible light, all good ones are around 1/5 the electricity consumption, so if you replace your home's evening lights with quality CF's, you can light your home for 5 nights on CF compared to 1 night on the oldfashioned edison bulbs you now use. Moreover, because they use less energy each CF will save the environment 100s of pounds of CO2, since 3 kWh = 1kg CO2 emissions by power plants.
CF's also are more pleasant to handle than edison bulbs because they are more rubust, and if you look at quality brands then they are available in the same convenient sizes as edison bulbs - they needn't be bulky and awkward anymore, thats a thing of the past.
What you should look for is their light output in lumen and the number of hours that are their expected service life. If the lamp will last twice as long, it being 1.5x as expensive obviously is a bargain as it will pay for itself in the long run.
There.
Give your wallet a break and help to reduce global warming - and invest in Compact Fluorescents to light your home. See which ones you can get and google up how satisfied people are with these brands and models. Then if you found good ones for your needs, buy a whole bunch of them, make the switch, and keep your current edison lamps around as temporary spares in case one of the CF's breaks down.
Tonight, when your lights burn, consider you are wasting 80 cents on the dollar on your energy bill.
It's your choice, really.
If you have a light you often turn on and off (bathroom) its best to use a LED lamp for that as they can be switched many more times per service life.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Asante]
#12147164 - 03/05/10 07:49 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can't find the time to go and buy these!
I think i will actually go now 
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Asante]
#12147289 - 03/05/10 08:49 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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So far my experience with CFLs has been abysmal. Any dimmer circuit burns them out much faster than regular bulbs. And then there is this:
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/
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Before Clean-up: Air Out the Room
* Have people and pets leave the room, and don't let anyone walk through the breakage area on their way out.
* Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
* Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.
Clean-Up Steps for Hard Surfaces
* Carefully scoop up glass pieces and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
* Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
* Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place towels in the glass jar or plastic bag.
* Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.
Clean-up Steps for Carpeting or Rug
* Carefully pick up glass fragments and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
* Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
* If vacuuming is needed after all visible materials are removed, vacuum the area where the bulb was broken.
* Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister), and put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed plastic bag.
Clean-up Steps for Clothing, Bedding and Other Soft Materials
* If clothing or bedding materials come in direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from inside the bulb that may stick to the fabric, the clothing or bedding should be thrown away. Do not wash such clothing or bedding because mercury fragments in the clothing may contaminate the machine and/or pollute sewage.
* You can, however, wash clothing or other materials that have been exposed to the mercury vapor from a broken CFL, such as the clothing you are wearing when you cleaned up the broken CFL, as long as that clothing has not come into direct contact with the materials from the broken bulb.
* If shoes come into direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from the bulb, wipe them off with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place the towels or wipes in a glass jar or plastic bag for disposal.
Disposal of Clean-up Materials
* Immediately place all clean-up materials outdoors in a trash container or protected area for the next normal trash pickup.
* Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing clean-up materials.
* Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific area. Some states do not allow such trash disposal. Instead, they require that broken and unbroken mercury-containing bulbs be taken to a local recycling center.
Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug: Air Out the Room During and After Vacuuming
* The next several times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system and open a window before vacuuming.
* Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least 15 minutes after vacuuming is completed.
Even unbroken CFLs are considered hazardous waste.
http://www.epa.gov/epawaste/hazard/wastetypes/universal/lamps/live.htm
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Households and consumers can use the links below to find out where to take their used fluorescent light bulbs, including compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs). Businesses can learn about how to properly recycle/dispose of used mercury-containing light bulbs by visiting Universal Waste Handlers - Steps to Managing Your Universal Waste Lamps in an Environmentally-Safe Manner.
Use the links below to find out about household hazardous waste collection programs in your area. Households and consumers can often recycle/dispose of their mercury-containing bulbs by taking them to their local household hazardous waste collection program. Household hazardous waste collection programs are usually organized by counties or local solid waste authorities. These programs will vary by location. Contact your local solid waste authority for more details, or use the links below.
* In general, household hazardous waste collection programs accept waste only from residents, although some programs include small businesses as well.
* The service is usually free, though some may charge a small fee.
* Some household hazardous waste collection programs only collect these items once or twice a year, so residents will have to hold on to their light bulbs until the collection takes place. Other collection programs provide collection services throughout the year.
* In addition to mercury-containing light bulbs, these programs may also collect paints, pesticides, cleaning supplies or batteries.
Choose your region or state from the map below to find where to take your mercury-containing light bulbs (i.e. fluorescent light bulbs and compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs)).
Finally this from other greens:
http://www.greenmuze.com/blogs/guest-bloggers/1031-the-dark-side-of-cfls.html
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CFLs Are A Hazardous Product & Do Not Save Energy
It may surprise many people to know that CFLs increase a consumer’s carbon footprint in a ‘cradle to grave’ analysis. Full costs to manufacture, operate and safely dispose of a CFL have never been disclosed to the public. The reality is that residential lighting takes up only 0.8% of energy consumption in Canada.
CFLs are energy hogs to produce, operate and dispose of. Reducing a consumer’s carbon footprint is the CFL’s raison d’être. But before deciding to switch over to compact florescent lights it would be wise to first review a cradle to grave analysis of the carbon footprint of a CFL, compared to an incandescent bulb.
What is the real energy cost of a CFL? What does it cost to mine, manufacture, package, ship, sell, operate, dispose of CFLs on the environment? These are questions ignored by CFL promoters.
An International Association for Energy-Efficient Lighting (IAEEL) study conducted in Denmark, explored some carbon footprint factors, but not all, showing it took 1.8 Kwh of electricity to assemble a CFL compared to 0.11 Kwh to assemble an incandescent bulb. That means it took 16 times more energy to produce a CFL. The study did not include the fact that a CFL is much heavier and is more dangerous to handle, and will thus cost more to package, to ship, and to sell.
This research also did not calculate the energy required to safely dispose of a CFL and reclaim the mercury. The cost of removing mercury from the landfills was also not considered. More over, the potential cost in destroyed lives, illnesses, and lost human productivity due to exposure to mercury and electromagnetic radiation have not been considered.
If such a study could be done, and considered all the negative contributing factors, it would show a CFL has a massive carbon footprint, one that would dwarf a regular incandescent light bulb and it would also show that CFLs will leave behind a wake of environmental destruction.
I think they're a scam.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: zappaisgod]
#12147440 - 03/05/10 09:40 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes! You should never use CFL's with dimmer circuits, and you should also not use them for purposes where they are repeatedly turned off and on a lot of times.
My CFL's either are contained in a plastic housing or have a poly urethane coating on the tubes. Even if they break, no Mercury is released. Mine also have a 15.000 hours guarantee. If they fail before that you get a free replacement.
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it took 1.8 Kwh of electricity to assemble a CFL compared to 0.11 Kwh to assemble an incandescent bulb.
15 x 90 watt Incandescent:
1000 hours x 90 watts x 15 lamps = 1350 kWh
1 x 18 watt long life CFL
15.000 hours x 18 watt = 270 kWh
Saved by CFL during service life: 1080 kWh
production cost of 15 Incandescent bulbs: 1.65 kWh
Production cost of 1 CFL = 1.8 kWh
Saved by CFL during service life minus minus manufacture energy cost: 1078.5 kWh
1078.5 kWh = 3882.6 MJ (megajoule)
= 161.8 kg coal
= 101.8 ltr oil (0.64 barrel of oil equivalent)
101.8 liter of oil releases 1.02-12.21kg SO2 (among other pollutants)
161.8 kg coal releases 3.24-89 mg Mercury (among many pollutants)
My CFL contains 3mg mercury.
Sooo... 
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Asante]
#12147769 - 03/05/10 10:52 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tried them but did not like them.
Mainly because of the dimming problems.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Asante]
#12147781 - 03/05/10 10:55 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I wasn't going to go quite as far as them about the energy thing but it is imprtant to note that the production cost in terms of energy are quite a bit higher than for incandescent.
Mercury released into the air from power plants is no threat as it is rapidly dispersed. Mercury released in concentration from a broken CFL is most definitely dangerous. Have you also factored in the much greater energy requirement needed to dispose of these hazardous wastes? And dispose of them how? What is the energy cost to reclaim the mercury? What is the energy cost to collect and assemble the mercury in the first place? It costs nothing to expel harmless amounts of mercury into the atmosphere. It costs alot to collect and dispose of from CFLs
I have a lot of dimmers. I find that even if you keep them on the highest setting all the time they still burn out faster than inkys. And there are no lights in my house that don't get turned on and off frequently. I have not gotten anywhere near that life from CFLs and I doubt anybody else does in real world apps either. Even in non-dimmed fixtures. Not even close. I'm sorry they are vastly impractical health hazards that don't come close to offering the energy savings touted.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: zappaisgod]
#12147994 - 03/05/10 11:34 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Theres seriously much more mrcury in a fresh "silver" tooth filling than in a good quality CFL.
I agree mercury is one of the worst offenders where it comes to pollutants, but a 90W replacing CFL saves as much weight in coal as the family it lights 
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What is the energy cost to reclaim the mercury?
I believe current practice is salvaging the electronics in the starters, which is lucerative. The tubes are placed in a vat with acid (such as muriatic) and ground, causing the mercury to dissolve as a soluble salt (such as mercuric chloride), the glass is filtered off and the mercury precipitated from the acid by addition of a base (such as lye) as an insoluble salt leaving ground glass and table salt solution.
Its not rocket science and very cost effective as HCl and lye can be made by electrolysis of brine.
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I wasn't going to go quite as far as them about the energy thing
I love geeking out on such science details and putting the results in my arse
nal of factoids. Its a hobby, I wanted to know
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it is imprtant to note that the production cost in terms of energy are quite a bit higher than for incandescent.
Its still a steal if you take in account how much energy is saved compared to the incandescents they replace.
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I have a lot of dimmers. I find that even if you keep them on the highest setting all the time they still burn out faster than inkys.
Dimmers and CFL dont mix, I agree. But why not use a smaller wattage bulb rather than a dimmer? Dimmers themselves use electricity too.
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Even in non-dimmed fixtures. Not even close. I'm sorry they are vastly impractical health hazards that don't come close to offering the energy savings touted.
Most brands, usually the cheap ones, do not deliver what they promise I agree and laws should be stricter as to their claims (such as how many lumen corresponds to how many watts of incandescent, and the service life) but if you get a good brand you can expect them to live out their service life.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Asante]
#12148259 - 03/05/10 12:20 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Dimmers and CFL dont mix, I agree. But why not use a smaller wattage bulb rather than a dimmer? Dimmers themselves use electricity too.
They do? Mine seem to be simple rheostats. Anyway, even when I keep the slide to 100% all the time the fixture still eats these bulbs like a fat chick eats bon bons.Quote:
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Even in non-dimmed fixtures. Not even close. I'm sorry they are vastly impractical health hazards that don't come close to offering the energy savings touted.
Most brands, usually the cheap ones, do not deliver what they promise I agree and laws should be stricter as to their claims (such as how many lumen corresponds to how many watts of incandescent, and the service life) but if you get a good brand you can expect them to live out their service life.
And how are we supposed to know which ones don't suck? The ones I have in a package right now are FEIT. Know anything about them? Because they're fucking dying even in undimmed fixtures.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Asante]
#12148310 - 03/05/10 12:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont like them either.
They don't come on instantly, that second before they pop on annoys me.
The package says 15w=60 watt normal bulb or something like that but No, it doesn't. Its nowhere close to as bright as its stated equivalent.
They never fit in any of my standard fixtures, they come in a very limited number of socket sizes (I have at least 5 different size fittings in my house from screw in to insert and twist in several different sizes).
They never fit in anything but the most basic light fitting.
I have about 12 of these in my spare bulbs place but have them fitted in only 2 or 3 lights.
In short, they suck.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: zappaisgod]
#12148599 - 03/05/10 01:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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And how are we supposed to know which ones don't suck?
Google! People actually discuss CFL's on the internet, which bhrands work for them and which fail. With a bit of surfing with the brands you can get in mind you'll see patterns of consumer (dis)satisfaction emerging.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Asante]
#12153308 - 03/06/10 11:28 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Canada tried to get us to do this a while ago(mayby a couple years ago) i dont know that many people who actually switched
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Asante]
#12153359 - 03/06/10 11:41 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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CFL lights do not work well (if at all) in cold hallways, entries or basements. They are often poorly made and rarely last as long as advertised.
It would be nice if it were otherwise but they just don't perform.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#12153447 - 03/06/10 12:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have been using CFLs everywhere for over 4 years. Not a single one failed yet.
There are CFLs made for cold places and CFLs made for dimmers (you may need new dimmers though).
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Annom]
#12153866 - 03/06/10 01:14 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Please tell us what manufacturer. Seriously, these fuckers I got are burning out as fast as the inkies.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: zappaisgod]
#12154087 - 03/06/10 01:58 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't use dimmers so I have no experience with them. You will have to google dimmable cfl. They may still be in their infancy and not work very well with all dimmers. They however do exist and will mature. Normal CFLs are not made for dimmers.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Annom]
#12154856 - 03/06/10 04:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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It isn't just the ones on dimmers. It's all of them. They aren't coming anywhere near the performance hyped.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: zappaisgod]
#12155027 - 03/06/10 05:21 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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heh. i have a lamp in my room that i use every day, and have used daily for like 3 years, and ive never had to replace its cfl bulb. im sure the day comes nigh though.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: zappaisgod]
#12155604 - 03/06/10 07:07 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's strange. I use different brands. I think most are Philips.
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: Annom]
#12159606 - 03/07/10 03:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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No one has mentioned it, but LED are GREAT for lighting. More expensive them CFLs, but if you dont like them for Mercury or any other reason, then LEDs are a great way to go.
They come in several different colors and will literally last for just about your entire life. Great for accents and lighting up wall painting to lighting full size rooms
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Re: Use CFL lights - it saves a lot of $$, screwing in new bulbs and it is green ! [Re: legallyhomeless]
#12162682 - 03/08/10 01:44 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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i too have CFL's that fail ALL the time, id put the lifespan on them at less than 4 years MAX, with an average of 2 years life. altho for w/e reason, the bulbs in 1 room of the house fail like every 6 months its crazy, im guessing low voltage or something but i dunno...
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