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 Moetsukiru
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 Planning first bulk grow, urban 
#12142438 - 03/04/10 02:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Update: this is the bin I want to use.
    
So still being a total newbie and having not even harvested the fastest of cakes from my first batch, and months to go before attempting anything of this scale, I'm going to attempt to prepare for a bulk grow, here is what I have so far:
The FC I could not find a link to online, so I'll have to just take pictures later tonight to show how it looks. I should be able to have pics/dimensions up within a few hours.
I'm not sure if we should go with mono or SG, I'll let you guys decide which would be best for this setup, maybe I can set up a poll later after everyone's seen pics of the bin.
I want to take this syringe and inoculate this jar and grow a LC to have and use for a few months. Then I want to use some of that LC to inoculate this bag of WBS. Then I want to mix the colonized WBS with this compost. If needed, I would use this casing mix, but from what I understand it's superfluous. I'm going to buy this environment control package and I have access to this perlite at the home depot down the street. I'm also going to buy this rope light to use as the lighting for the tub.
So now the questions are, how to assemble my FC? SG or mono? should I use the submersible heater and cover it with perlite? Is that rope light sufficient? Should I use a casing layer? The bag of WBS is enough to colonize the 10 quarts of compost, but will I have room for a 10+ quart mixture of WBS and compost + the perlite + enough room for the mushies to grow? Can I put the colonized bulk mixture in a tray and move that from incubator to FC and place it on top of perlite? Etc. Too many questions for me to ask. The basic question is: what would you do with these pieces?
I want this to be as automated as possible so I can take my colonized bulk substrate, drop it in the FC, and harvest. Please keep in mind this is an urban grow. Can't get much more urban than this. The perlite is the only thing I want to be buying at home depot, and I can't sterilize or pasteurize anything myself, which is why all the products are ready to go out of the box. I'm aware that I'm paying more to start this than the average person might, but it is my only option.
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Edited by Moetsukiru (03/04/10 09:43 PM)
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German Kahuna
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 Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: Moetsukiru]
#12142483 - 03/04/10 02:29 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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For an indoor grow it is completely irrelevant whether you live in rural Iowa or New York City, so no need to emphasize it. In all cases you need to provide the same environmental conditions.
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Moetsukiru
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Quote:
German Kahuna said:
For an indoor grow it is completely irrelevant whether you live in rural Iowa or New York City, so no need to emphasize it. In all cases you need to provide the same environmental conditions.
Sorry, I just meant to prematurely defend myself against those who might criticize me for spending so much on a grow, and trying to spend as little time on it as possible. I have a full time job and needy, albeit very awesome, girlfriend who requires far more attention than my hobbies, regardless of how much she enjoys the end result of said hobbies 
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: Moetsukiru]
#12142564 - 03/04/10 02:42 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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drop the perlite, compost mix, casing mixture if you were planning on getting any, and the "environmental control package".
use spores ->LC-> WBS-> coir/gypsum/verm. get a clear 64 qt tub and put four 2" holes on each long side, 4" from the bottom so theres room for the substrate. mix colonized grain with pasteurized coir/gypsum/verm in the bottom of the tub and cover the 2" holes with duct tape until 100% colonization. then pop some polyfill in and create good fruiting conditions
Edit: you want a light with a color temp in the 5000-7000K range, that light is 7500. itll prob still work but something around 6500K would be better if you can find it
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Edited by MOPE (03/04/10 02:49 PM)
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German Kahuna
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: Moetsukiru]
#12142584 - 03/04/10 02:45 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I totally understand. I work full time, have a wife and two small kids myself and just bought a house, so I know how essential automation is for optimized time management. 
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myceleus_rex
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Read up on monotubs. Many here have had very successful "neglect" grows. The only automation you might want is a timer switch for 12/12 lighting.
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: myceleus_rex]
#12142643 - 03/04/10 02:55 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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And of course, the most important item for your grow is...
a CAMERA!
So you can share the mycoporn with the rest of us.
What do people think of that Rope Light idea, other than the fact that it's not 6500k? Has anyone used something like that effectively?
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: potgrrl]
#12142728 - 03/04/10 03:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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For light, you want 5000K or more, whatever the source. These are easy to get in a CFL. Maybe LED rope lights are available, too, but for a price.
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biologys
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: myceleus_rex]
#12142784 - 03/04/10 03:14 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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you can get 6500k rope led lights on myspace, around 30 bucks..where i got mine
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: biologys]
#12143098 - 03/04/10 04:03 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Like I said, "for a price". That's cool, literally, you can put LEDs inside the tub, which would be great for stacking, but a daylight CFL is around two bucks in a four pack. It all depends on what you need.
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: myceleus_rex]
#12143443 - 03/04/10 04:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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make your own LC, make your own jars, make your own bulk sub, make your own casing. then make your own fruiting environment.
you can do all this for ten times cheaper and within 5 miles.
now thats bulk.
what good is an ounce if you literally paid more to make it?
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: myceleus_rex]
#12143463 - 03/04/10 04:51 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like to make the point, when the subject comes up, that while casing lasing layers are optional when cultivating cubensis, they are beneficial (to the total harvest) when you are not providing a near perfect fruiting environment.
Those in the forums who say that cubensis don't benefit from the application of a casing layer are just rehashing statements they read on the boards.
Cubensis fruiting from a (bulk) substrate don't benefit from the addition of a casing layer IF you are providing a near perfect fruiting environment. Some cultivators get better results from there mono-tub with the addition of a casing layer.
For your first cultivation projects stick with a bulk substrate without a casing layer, or do cakes. I disagree with the idea that there is something wrong with starting with bulk substrates instead of cakes. But casing layers can be skipped for your first couple projects.
It's a good idea to test the pH of casing layers, but not mandatory, and not necessary for bulk subs. There is a specific way to do this (you need to wait one hour after adding the hydrated lime before testing the pH), read about it here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9042585#9042585
If you want low maintenance go with the mono tub instead of the Shotgun tub. A shotgun terrarium isn't high maintenance, but a good mono is ZERO maintenance. ~P~
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Moetsukiru
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: myceleus_rex]
#12143801 - 03/04/10 05:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
myceleus_rex said:
Like I said, "for a price". That's cool, literally, you can put LEDs inside the tub, which would be great for stacking, but a daylight CFL is around two bucks in a four pack. It all depends on what you need.
That's what I was thinking, the ones I linked claim to come in 2 serperate 60" pieces, I could run one in and out of one tub and back into another pretty easily, keeping it flush against the lid. I'll keep looking for 6500k rope lights.
And if a casing layer is not needed, but will help to ensure optimal conditions, shouldn't I use it for at least my first few bulk grows while I'm tweaking the FC? Or should I just tweak the FC as I go and just skip the casing?
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: Moetsukiru]
#12143842 - 03/04/10 05:43 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moetsukiru
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: biologys]
#12144014 - 03/04/10 06:09 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oooooo 
That would be perfect, except I'd rather not shop on eBay, I don't have a paypal account and I can't get one (paypal has banned me, they accused me of something, nothing proven). That's why I usually just pay with CC on websites (I'm a smart shopper, never bought anything from an unreliable vendor), cause I kind of have to 
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Moetsukiru
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: Moetsukiru]
#12145206 - 03/04/10 09:44 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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bump for update with pics
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: Moetsukiru]
#12145441 - 03/04/10 10:16 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11533613#11533613
lot of easy productive monotub teks and variations, like a few pages of them 
if your fruiting all your cakes make a shotgun FC
if your colonizing a bulk substrate then build a monotub. you have a big tub 
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: 13shrooms]
#12146301 - 03/05/10 12:57 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
myceleus_rex said:
Like I said, "for a price". That's cool, literally, you can put LEDs inside the tub, which would be great for stacking, but a daylight CFL is around two bucks in a four pack. It all depends on what you need.
you dont need rope lights for stacking, i stack 4 tubs on top of each other with only 2 4ft long double bulb 6500k lights about 4 inches away from the top tub, for 55 bucks including timier extenstion cord power strip and the two light fixtures and bulbs i have enough light for 32 tubs, you want 6500k lighting fyi, its optimal, even though it works and you can, and i do, i wouldnt stack if at all possible, the ones on the top always perform betterQuote:
galadar said:
make your own LC, make your own jars, make your own bulk sub, make your own casing. then make your own fruiting environment.
you can do all this for ten times cheaper and within 5 miles.
now thats bulk.
what good is an ounce if you literally paid more to make it?
i did the math one time, in my 27q sterlite mono's i usually get 2 ounces the first flush and at least another ounce in the following flushes, but ill round it down to three, around here sreet price for three ounces will cost you 720$ average, less if you have ahook up (240$ per) so the tub cost 6 bucks a presterilized bag of rye is like 25, and a ten pound bag of compost from like hmc sublicious or the chicks website, cost you 25$ a syringe is another 20 plus another probally 40$ with shipping and taxes, your looking at little under 120$, so youd save your self a little over 600, and your failure rate as a newb would drop dramaticily, dont get me wrong i'm as self suffeciant as possible and don't go this route at all, but the math is there if someone was lazy or new didnt have access to a pc, etc.
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13shrooms said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11533613#11533613
lot of easy productive monotub teks and variations, like a few pages of them
if your fruiting all your cakes make a shotgun FC
if your colonizing a bulk substrate then build a monotub. you have a big tub
true story, once in awhile i do the 107, or 109 quart tubs, and those take about 8-10 jars of spawn and three bricks of straight coir, id start with a smaller tub your first time, thats alot of eggs to put in one basket, especially when you dont know what the chicken look like
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: Montock]
#12146425 - 03/05/10 01:36 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moetsukiru
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Re: Planning first bulk grow, urban [Re: Montock]
#12147448 - 03/05/10 09:42 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Montock said:
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galadar said:
make your own LC, make your own jars, make your own bulk sub, make your own casing. then make your own fruiting environment.
you can do all this for ten times cheaper and within 5 miles.
now thats bulk.
what good is an ounce if you literally paid more to make it?
i did the math one time, in my 27q sterlite mono's i usually get 2 ounces the first flush and at least another ounce in the following flushes, but ill round it down to three, around here sreet price for three ounces will cost you 720$ average, less if you have ahook up (240$ per) so the tub cost 6 bucks a presterilized bag of rye is like 25, and a ten pound bag of compost from like hmc sublicious or the chicks website, cost you 25$ a syringe is another 20 plus another probally 40$ with shipping and taxes, your looking at little under 120$, so youd save your self a little over 600, and your failure rate as a newb would drop dramaticily, dont get me wrong i'm as self suffeciant as possible and don't go this route at all, but the math is there if someone was lazy or new didnt have access to a pc, etc.
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13shrooms said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11533613#11533613
lot of easy productive monotub teks and variations, like a few pages of them
if your fruiting all your cakes make a shotgun FC
if your colonizing a bulk substrate then build a monotub. you have a big tub
true story, once in awhile i do the 107, or 109 quart tubs, and those take about 8-10 jars of spawn and three bricks of straight coir, id start with a smaller tub your first time, thats alot of eggs to put in one basket, especially when you dont know what the chicken look like
I'm really liking the rope light idea. Like I said I can't spend much time on this, but my buddy works a lot less than I do and he's the one with access to drills and hardware supplies and shit like that, so he'd be the one getting the tub ready. I'm the one who says "hey, shroomery says we're dumb, do this: (insert pretty obvious facts here)." He says he could do a stackable setup (we obviously would start with one tub) with rope light and environmental controls. He's very confident in his vision of this "tower of tubs." The only downside is he's convinced the SG tubs are better (even though he doesn't know shit), he thinks monotubs are too "exposed to the elements." But that's my problem, I'll wear him down eventually, or just slap him in the mouth and say "LISTEN THE FUCK UP FUCKER."
And as for the amount of money being invested in this, in case you didn't actually read the original post, I don't have access to a PC, and as I explained in the original post I'm not lazy, I simply don't have time to be spending more than 15-30 minutes a day on this. I'm trying to get as close to the results of other, very trusted, shroomerites with as little time spent as possible. I have a regular job (is 50 hours a week regular?) and a girlfriend and a father and friends. All of whom expect things from me, and not all of whom know about my secret endeavors. So not only can I not spend a lot of time on this hobby, I cannot let it interfere with my regular life.
I don't care if it costs me $200 for all the supplies, shit 95% of that is a ONE TIME FEE. Do you know what that means? It means, the more you use it, the less you technically paid for it.
So thanks to everyone who actually gave me useful information.
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