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Police and cell phones
#12141083 - 03/04/10 10:39 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay I wanted to relay something that happened to me awhile back that I thought was weird.
I was staying at a friend's house while he had a warrant out for his arrest. He warned me beforehand if the cops showed up that he was going to hide, and to just tell them he wasn't there.
So he's sleeping in his room and I'm on the couch watching TV, all of a sudden my cell phone rings. It's a weird number I didn't recognize, so I didn't answer it.
Like 10 minutes later there's loud knocking at the door. I open it up and it's this lady cop, and as I try to tell her my friend isn't there, she yells his name and says "I KNOW YOU'RE IN THERE!" and basically just walks past me into the house. She finds my friend hiding in his room and arrests him.
So I call that number back after she leaves, and IT WAS HER. There's no way she could have known I was there, so I'm guessing somehow she was outside and picked up on my cell phone being in the house... Does anyone know how she could of done that???
Also, could I have refused her entry into my friend's house, even though it wasn't my house?
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Always look through the peep hole before opening the door.
Never open the door for police. Announce to them that you recognize their presence, and that you are not going to open the door; that if they have a warrant, they may kick the door in, but otherwise you're simply going to go back to your business (imho your "business should involve immediately closing and locking as many points of entry into your house as possible).
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Humility]
#12147061 - 03/05/10 06:47 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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What amazingly dumb advice. If they have a warrant, let them in. Unless you like paying to repair/replace your door.
Cops: We have a warrant. Dumb dude: I'm not opening the door. Kick it in if you want! Cops: *Break door down causing possibly hundreds in damages* Dumb dude: Ha! I sure showed you!
I mean really. Do you people even give a seconds thought to your answers?
Wow.
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Humility]
#12147064 - 03/05/10 06:49 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Humility said: Always look through the peep hole before opening the door.
Never open the door for police. Announce to them that you recognize their presence, and that you are not going to open the door; that if they have a warrant, they may kick the door in, but otherwise you're simply going to go back to your business (imho your "business should involve immediately closing and locking as many points of entry into your house as possible).
Better luck next time.
Further.... closing and locking as many points as possible?
Just more damage you'll have to pay for.
I'm laughing my ass off at you.
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Doesn't sound like the cop in OP had a warrant though?
Also, (not being from the US), if they HAVE a warrant, and find absolutely nothing, but had to break the door in (because you weren't there), who pays for that? Bearing in mind you're totally innocent...
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Quote:
luvdemshrooms said:
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Humility said: Always look through the peep hole before opening the door.
Never open the door for police. Announce to them that you recognize their presence, and that you are not going to open the door; that if they have a warrant, they may kick the door in, but otherwise you're simply going to go back to your business (imho your "business should involve immediately closing and locking as many points of entry into your house as possible).
Better luck next time.
Further.... closing and locking as many points as possible?
Just more damage you'll have to pay for.
I'm laughing my ass off at you.
uhhh Im gonna have to go with Humility on this one, if you have a warrent out for your arrest you have a lot more to worry about than an door being broken. Plus the cops usually will bullshit u every way they can to get you to open the door. So it is definitely best to not open the door...
Anyways that cell phone thing sounds really creepy, my Electrical engineering prof showed us how easy it is to pick up cell phone calls, so it wouldn't surprise me if they could pick up your number
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Frinkz]
#12147087 - 03/05/10 07:03 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wasn't responding to the OP. I was responding to the wizard who said he'd tell the cops to kick the door in.
The only time I've heard of cops having to pay for damage is when the were at the wrong house.
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Yeah I'm not worried about the opening the door thing, it happened awhile ago and he's already out of jail, so whatever.
What really interests me is how the cop picked up on my cell phone? I've never heard of anything like that happening, it really creeped me the hell out.
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Yeah, that's a bit spooky. I'm glad I still have a landline phone.
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Seems like you often exhibit aggression and anger when responding in posts 'shrooms. That's unfortunate.
The reason I so strongly advocate never opening the door for police is because once the door is opened, you've let them in. If the police position themselves, or any parts of themselves (hands, feet, legs) between your door and its frame, you MAY NOT close the door from that point forward without "assaulting an officer".
Police often lie, and lying while on the job, even about making an arrest, or having a warrant is often not punished. Still more important, lies police tell OFTEN land otherwise innocent individuals into prison.
If the police officer wants to tell you he has a warrant, that doesn't necessarily mean he has a warrant. If the police have a warrant it's often the case that they'll simply crash through the door in the first place. The most effective way to ensure the police do not enter your home unwanted is to not open the door for them.
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Humility]
#12147420 - 03/05/10 09:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah the bitch basically walked past me, because she knew I wasn't the owner of the house.. I couldn't really tell her to GTFO could I?
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: tripp23]
#12148023 - 03/05/10 11:40 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pigs can do that? That's crazy, this was years ago so who knows what kind of shit they can do now..
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Humility]
#12148577 - 03/05/10 01:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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The reason I so strongly advocate never opening the door for police is because once the door is opened, you've let them in.
Correct, in many cases.
If they are outside and screaming that they have a warrant, its likely that they are telling the truth and it probably wouldn't hurt to open the door, step outside and close it behind you, so you can check the warrant.
If they are screaming and pounding, but they aren't saying anything about warrants, do not let them in under any circumstances.
A broken door costs a few hundred dollars to fix, but that is cheap compared to your newfound ability to prove that you did not let them in willingly. If you let them in, anything they find is fair game. If you didn't let them in, they have to prove that they had a good reason to go in.
So really its best to never let them in and let them break it if they are going that route. Its cheap insurance.
Sometimes they knock on your door for more innocent reasons, like letting you know that your car has an expired registration or something. That happened to me recently. They gave me a chance to move my roommates car to the driveway instead of getting it towed. Could have gone badly if someone was smoking weed in the front room.
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they pretty much broke into my parents house in georgetown... the officer left a notecard and his business card explaining it, I should have taken a picture of it. Basically he said there was a 911 hangup call placed from the house when my parents were both at work, and he was compelled to search the house for people. I had left out a bubbler on the table but apparently he didnt see it or care.
Apparently phone lines can fuck up and call 911 by themselves, its pretty fucked up.
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: 2859558484]
#12150319 - 03/05/10 06:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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wowitch17 said: Apparently phone lines can fuck up and call 911 by themselves, its pretty fucked up.
now there's a good excuse to search
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Jabbawaya]
#12151030 - 03/05/10 09:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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wowwitch is lame =)
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Obama signed an extention of the patriot act with no civil rights safeguards. The demos made a token effort to put an amendment in but quickly dropped it. They blamed it on the repubs like they would have fillibustered if there was an amendment. They made no effort to preserve our rights and obama has signed all such bills. They can do whatever they want now. "warrant, we don't need no stinkin' warrant"
The op's story sounds odd to say the least. 1 female cop busts in by herself when she knew there were 2 male drug suspects in the house and possibly others?
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Stonehenge]
#12154359 - 03/06/10 02:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wasn't a suspect, my friend just had a warrant out for him and had been hiding from the police for a week. She came to get him.
What's weird is how she could of picked up on my cell phone being inside the house.
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That could be, i'm just saying i never heard of one cop all by himself going after a fugitive on drug charges. They send 2 or more cops, not one female cop by herself. Maybe the cop was his mom and had your number from his cell phone?
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Stonehenge]
#12154612 - 03/06/10 03:49 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was staying at a friend's house while he had a warrant out for his arrest.
this is the problem right here. you must be retarded to be staying at a guy's house when there's a warrant out for him. you also covered for him, leaving yourself wide open to fugitive harboring charges.
as for your phone, the marshalls probably found out you're a friend and called it to see if you knew where he was (they do this all the time by shaking down everybody who knows the guy and they readily give up info). or maybe they were watching the house, and saw you go inside. or since he had a warrant out, they could easily get his phone records and found your number that way.
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Stonehenge]
#12155065 - 03/06/10 05:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: That could be, i'm just saying i never heard of one cop all by himself going after a fugitive on drug charges. They send 2 or more cops, not one female cop by herself. Maybe the cop was his mom and had your number from his cell phone?
That's a good point. Plus, I doubt if anything sophisticated was used to find his cell number -- you just find it in someone's phone or you ask them.
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Jabbawaya]
#12156039 - 03/06/10 08:34 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what freaks me out more, the possibility that they knew who I was and were watching/tracking me, or if they somehow triangulated on the signal from outside.
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Never answer a door for shit.
When a door gets kicked in the trim on the door breaks out. Sometimes the latch mechanism gets bent. All that shit costs less than $30 total. Then you just have to paint the trim to match. So advice to just let them kick it is good.
You can talk to them just fine through the door, so no reason to open it.
Just tell them to fuck off, seriously. I used to have some crazy roommates, when cops knocked a couple times I just hollered "We didn't order no fuckin police" then repeated it as needed. The crazy thing is that each time they just went away feeling stupid while we laughed and hooted.
Never let them in.
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Somebody snitched on you, dude. The same thing happened to me. Except it was at my house and they showed up in the middle of the night, pushed themselves right past my mother and into my room. I'm such a dead sleeper I didn't hear anything, not even my buddy trying to wake me up and tell me good-bye. I woke up to my mother and step-father telling me the pigs just took my friend and that he tried to wake me up. It was a sad couple of days. It turned out his girlfriend snitched him out because her parents found out she had sex with him. He was on the run after escaping juvenile hall so she justified that shit in her mind. Fucking bitch.
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Arkady]
#12371631 - 04/11/10 07:16 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wasn't the one who went to jail though. You mean someone snitched on my friend?
It still doesn't explain the cell phone thing..
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Anonymous said: I wasn't the one who went to jail though. You mean someone snitched on my friend?
It still doesn't explain the cell phone thing.. 
You're being too paranoid on this.
It's all very logical. Someone gave your cell number to the cop and told them your friend was there.
When theyre looking for someone, they will call the person's family first who will give them leads usually and often friend's numbers or name's. A common scenario is the cops call the parents of the fugitive, they say no he isnt here but he may be with his gf, so and so, here's the number.The gf says no he isnt here but I know where is.He's at so and so's house and here the number and address. Next thing you know, cops are at your door. Very simple.
Someone snitched.Period.
Cops are not amazing in any capacity nor are they going to waste resources or go out of their way.
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It's so simple now, thanks for the explanation!
It was probably his parents or girlfriend.. I know his gf at least had my #.
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Lol
Case Closed.
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Frinkz]
#12424628 - 04/20/10 01:57 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Frinkz said: Doesn't sound like the cop in OP had a warrant though?
Also, (not being from the US), if they HAVE a warrant, and find absolutely nothing, but had to break the door in (because you weren't there), who pays for that? Bearing in mind you're totally innocent...
You do. To get a warrant, the judge that signs it needs to be presented with "probable cause" that the item(s)/person in question will be found in the location to be searched. If they believe that this thing/person is probably there, they're in the clear and have done nothing wrong in the eyes of the law, even if they don't find what they're looking for.
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: illuminati]
#12426643 - 04/20/10 01:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cop departments have often been sued when they did damage and found nothing. The warrant does not shield them from that. Often they will voluntarily fix the door or whatever. But if they find anything illegal even if it was not mentioned in the warrant then no help for you.
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Stonehenge]
#12471870 - 04/28/10 02:04 PM (14 years, 24 days ago) |
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I was living at a friend's house and we were victims of a wrong-house raid. They broke the door, a lot of possessions, and left the house a mess. They didn't pay for anything, friend's father tried to sue, the whole bit. I was told the cops got off since the 7 had a piece broken off the top left and resembled a 1.
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"friend's father tried to sue.."
Don't "try" to sue, do it. You won't win every time but you can't let them just roll over you.
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Re: Police and cell phones [Re: Stonehenge]
#12473449 - 04/28/10 07:11 PM (14 years, 24 days ago) |
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"Sued and lost" would have been a better choice of words it seems.
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