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Poo Confusion
    #1214009 - 01/13/03 09:57 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

There seems to be some conflicting information concerning poo preparation. Let's say I go out and collect relatively fresh horsey turds (still dark and mushy, not stinky and wet). I place these in a garage and dry them with a box fan (as in straw dry). Now here it gets confusing based on whose posts you read. Some would have you "leach" the poo for 24 hours in water to remove excess nitrogen. Some say just pasteurize and go. So, let's say I leach just for good measure. Some say I can just drain for 24 hours (post-leaching), pasteurize and go. Others would say that I need to dry again (this would take a rather long time), pasteurize and go. Amid all this confusion people keep mentioning mixing verm and/or substrate material (brf, straw) before pasteurizinig. I see the obvious benefit of adding straw pre-pasteurization but verm? The original poo tek (Thank you, Roadkill) seems to say dry, pasteurize, go. I'd like to stay as simple as possible but insure good results. Any suggestions? (Also, to whomever is screening with window mesh, what purpose does this serve besides removing a few bugs which are gonna die in pasteurization and what size screen are you using because it seems you'd really have to work on the poo to bust it all up that small).


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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: em_bre_O]
    #1214184 - 01/13/03 11:20 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I got some horse poo today that is sure to have no pee on it. I put it in a black bag lined container added warm water n mixed it all up with rubber gloves so that it was all broken up n even. I then added it to a baking bag. The remaining I mixed in vermiculite and filled two baking bags with that. I am now pasturising it at 170 in my poor oven hehe. Damn this poo stinks.


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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: em_bre_O]
    #1214781 - 01/13/03 03:07 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

my best results have been with older poo


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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: em_bre_O]
    #1214802 - 01/13/03 03:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

True I didn't bother to dry mine out. Seems a bit to damp, might have to add some peat or something. I don't think it would dry too well in 2 degree weather.


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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: em_bre_O]
    #1215072 - 01/13/03 04:58 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Manure contains NITROGEN, in various ways. One is ammonia. All of the highly soluble forms of Nitrogen will need to be leached out of FRESH SHIT.

The differences of opinion seem to be in What you do with the LEACHED MANURE. Some people will just Drain the leached manure and then Pasteurize immediately. Others perfer to dry it again before Cooking. Both ways work.

If your shit stinks like ammonia, You should leach it first. I tend to just go ahead and use it in the drained state not dry, and then pasteurize it, and DRAIN IT TO MOISTURE CONTENT WANTED. I usually combine vermiculite and/or perlite prior to pasteurizing.

Both methods work drying or not drying. But LEACHING FRESH SHIT is NECESSARY.


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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: em_bre_O]
    #1215326 - 01/13/03 06:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

If your dung is aged or dry to the touch, it will be perfect to use for your bulk substrates.
Hell I`ve used overly moist dung that I let dry in the sun.
The only difference was that the flies came up fairly fast.
I generally leave my dung for an extended period to dry and then pasteurise it for 1-1.3 hrs
That should take care of any flies and will pasteurise well.

I think Leeching is only necessary when the dung is overly fresh.
Fresh being new dung and not just rain-wet dung.
leaching it also allows it to be broken down further from its original dung ball.
Leaving it in a looser state which is far easier for drying after leeching.

Edit: Why would you feel the necessity to add perlite or vermiculite to a dung based substrate?? Dung retains moisture incredibly well. By my reasoning you might actually over-balance the substrate and possibly making it too moist.
This all depends ofcourse on the moisture level of your substrate when originally made.


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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: vatoloco]
    #1216021 - 01/13/03 10:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

All this information is definately some "good shit"!  My only problem is I believe my wife would kick my ass if I were to even think about nuking some shit in her microwave!  :smile:

Peace and keep the good info coming!

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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: TekNut]
    #1216042 - 01/13/03 10:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Use the std pot method for pastuerisation, my wife doesn`t even know I`m pastuerising dung unless I tell her or she notices the pot on the stove.
It generally doesn`t even smell bad, I find straw to smell worse than dung when wet.


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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: em_bre_O]
    #1217013 - 01/14/03 08:42 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

so much for clearing that up, all I got was the same lot of contradicting answers. oh, well, I will do what makes sense to me and learn from mistakes, it's what always works for me anyway.


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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: vatoloco]
    #1217256 - 01/14/03 10:28 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for the input but you just made repeated what i was saying in a longer fashion :smile:


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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: vatoloco]
    #1217291 - 01/14/03 10:40 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

dude, baking or microwaving shit
is the worst, it positively (w)reaks!

it's better to pasteurize in a pot
of water. 



It's not overwhelming when you bake and baking is the only way to do it imo...
Easy and effective
this was baked at 250degrees for 90mins
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Smell wasn't bad or nothin...
A little earthy maybe :cool:


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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #1217383 - 01/14/03 11:07 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

It's not overwhelming when you bake and baking is the only way to do it imo...



I like pasturizing on the stove in a pot.
Plus I can keep an eye on the Candy Thermometer and make sure that my poo is at the right temp.

I don't like the idea of baking horse poo inside my oven.
The lowest setting on my oven is 200...which is too high for pasturization.
Junkie how do you keep your temps at the right temp?

I'd never use a microwave oven for horse poo.
But I do use the microwave for sterilizing casings.


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Re: Poo Confusion [Re: em_bre_O]
    #1218158 - 01/14/03 03:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Never used Elephant shit.  Only ever seen the stuff from a distance.  COW shit that is FRESH out the ASS needs to be leached orAGED(DRIED). 

I like airy substrates.  They generate less heat even when compacted.  The vermiculite also maintains some of the Nutrient that is leached out during Pasteurization.  I drain it to the proper moisture content.

The point I was trying to make is if it just came out the horses,cows ass, you want to leach it.  If it is already aged, you don't have to. 

I think the uncertainty was the Drying post leaching, prior to Pasteurizing.  This portion is up to the INDIVIDUAL.  I tend not to dry after leaching, just drain WELL, ammend, and pasteurize.

What is unique about Elephants that their shit isn't full of highly soluble Nitrogen? :smile: 


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