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Chemical Sandman
The Psychedelic Sinner


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Re: Is it really very important to avoid caffeine with Syrian Rue? [Re: LSDXM]
#12127630 - 03/02/10 01:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Krash Kharma said: Just to clarify, I'm actually not planning on using this to potentiate other drugs. If I were gonna eat mushrooms with it or something, I probably would do an entire body cleansing before-hand, and then see how much I did or didn't want to go back to cigarettes and yellow vitamin water afterward.
I will probably smoke Cannabis and Salvia while on it at some point (not necessarily at the same time)
I do have some hypertension issues, so I'll probably give it a day before/after or so. My heart can beat like crazy just from smoking to much weed sometimes. Thanks for the advice 
Anyways, yes. I'm aware of the health disadvantages of being addicted to caffeine. I'm also aware that smoking a cigarette is like puffing on a tail pipe. I still do it.
Are you guys gonna start nagging me for smoking cigarettes, too? Cuz personally, I thought that was lame when other kids were doing it in Elementary school. There's nothing worse than a seven year old who just saw his first picture of a smoker's lung and got the shit scared out of him and now he won't stop screaming at his parents for being bad people because they smoke.
Hell, that's probably half the reason I started smoking. Because everyone who didn't was such a complete fag about it.
So, great, I'm gonna end up with lung cancer now because my peers were too easily lead into the DARE program and made it too gay not to smoke. THX GUYZ
So your taking the Rue alone? Don't expect anything but feeling like shit.
And being addicted to caffeine, which I find terribly sad, does not make you badass, nor does cigarettes. I sure hope you never try coke or heroine because your ass will be on the streets in a week.
Have some willpower man.
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Chemical Sandman
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Re: Is it really very important to avoid caffeine with Syrian Rue? [Re: Chemical Sandman]
#12127744 - 03/02/10 01:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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sorry that was kind of dick.
but more to the point, rue by itself sucks. I only tried it once by itself and many times with mushrooms.
You have to take quite a large dose to feel anything, and once you feel something you mostly just feel the nausea. Bad trip IMO unless combined with shrooms.
-------------------- "It's that in me there is no sorcery, there is no anger, there are no lies. Because I don't have garbage, I don't have dust. The sickness comes out if the sick vomit. They vomit the sickness. They vomit because the mushrooms want them to. If the sick don't vomit, I vomit. I vomit for them and in that way the malady is expelled. The mushrooms have power because they are the flesh of God. And those that believe are healed. Those that do not believe are not healed."(Maria Sabina) "Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres." (Albert Einstein)
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Shea25
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Re: Is it really very important to avoid caffeine with Syrian Rue? [Re: Chemical Sandman]
#12127902 - 03/02/10 01:54 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Chemical Sandman
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Re: Is it really very important to avoid caffeine with Syrian Rue? [Re: Shea25]
#12128514 - 03/02/10 03:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes I better try that. Rue is nasty ass shit!
I been thinking about doing a mush extraction too, heard so much good stuff about it.
-------------------- "It's that in me there is no sorcery, there is no anger, there are no lies. Because I don't have garbage, I don't have dust. The sickness comes out if the sick vomit. They vomit the sickness. They vomit because the mushrooms want them to. If the sick don't vomit, I vomit. I vomit for them and in that way the malady is expelled. The mushrooms have power because they are the flesh of God. And those that believe are healed. Those that do not believe are not healed."(Maria Sabina) "Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres." (Albert Einstein)
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LSDXM
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Re: Is it really very important to avoid caffeine with Syrian Rue? [Re: Chemical Sandman]
#12129684 - 03/02/10 06:43 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Who said anything about being bad ass?
If you're drawing that from the attitude I've had in my posts in this thread, it's not from a desire to look "bad ass", it's from being mildly annoyed by the topic going from "Is it really bad to mix caffeine with rue" to "You should really get off the caffeine".
I've used coke and heroin; coke is unappealing, and I have no trouble maintaining a safe distance from heroin (as evidenced by my only having done it a few times [under ten, can't remember exactly how many])
If I had access to Hydromorphone it might be a different story. But that's another topic, I suppose.
I'm addicted to caffeine because every beverage I choose to drink contains caffeine. Yes, I could drink water exclusively, or water and sometimes teas, or something like that. But..... I'd rather drink beverages with a taste that I enjoy. Since all of those happen to be caffeinated, I am therefore, a caffeine addict by default.
I really didn't consider anyone else's opinion on whether or not it'd be cool or lame or "sad" to be addicted to caffeine; I just made the choice because I enjoyed the drinks.
I smoked my first cigarette because I wanted to know what it was like, because 90% of everyone I met in my life over 12 smoked. My second cigarette, and those that followed, were smoked because having tried my first one, I realized I enjoyed the taste and the feeling, so I kept doing it.
aaaaaaaand I still do.
In regard to Bill Hicks, yes <3 I'm a TOOLfag and as an important facet of that a Hicksfag as well. It's true though, people who smoke cigarettes generally are more funny and interesting and have more poignant things to say. The reason for this is that people, for the most part, smoke cigarettes to take a step back out of their reality and break away from everything. "I need a cigarette RIGHT NOW or I'm gonna flip" is usually heard by a non-smoker as a desperate plea for help by a hopeless addict; in reality it's because they're analyzing the shit out of their situation and being a tense situation, they're gonna have a problem handling it with out their seven minute tobacco meditation.
So in a way they're inherently more thoughtful and "deep" than usual, but in other ways they're weaker and more inept at dealing with life's small problems. But that's a trait shared by most people who do any kind of soul searching, meditating, drug using, exercise, or whatever people do to escape for a minute and think about things on their own, away from the distraction of other people's opinions and ideals.
Personally, when I found weed, cigarettes stopped working for me so well and now I just keep smoking them because of the many brands I've found that taste soooooo good (Marb 27s [my brand]), Camel Signatures/filters, kamel reds, parliament menthol lights, newports, Bali Shag....
Anyways, I am planning on mixing it with weed and salvia, but I wanna do some dry runs first and get a feel for how it's gonna be and to know whether or not my heart's going to explode from too much caffeine. Hence the thread. Also I'm gonna be smoking it; I may eat it, but generally if I can smoke it or snort it I'll take that method instead.
Which reminds me; can you rail Rue?
Blahblahblah respect this plant etcetcetc If god didn't want me to put shit up my nose he wouldn't have made it so wonderful to do so.
As a final note, I'm sorry that I don't come off as reverent and ritualistically involved with this as you all like to, but I'm just not that kind of person. I'm never going to be. Any ritual I create will be based on my own experiences and how it worked out for me, and that's going to involve a lot of caffeine and tobacco and nasal usage and synthetic chemicals and shitty e-pills with unspecified content.
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thedudenj
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Re: Is it really very important to avoid caffeine with Syrian Rue? [Re: Chemical Sandman]
#12131648 - 03/02/10 11:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Chemical Sandman said:
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Krash Kharma said: Just to clarify, I'm actually not planning on using this to potentiate other drugs. If I were gonna eat mushrooms with it or something, I probably would do an entire body cleansing before-hand, and then see how much I did or didn't want to go back to cigarettes and yellow vitamin water afterward.
I will probably smoke Cannabis and Salvia while on it at some point (not necessarily at the same time)
I do have some hypertension issues, so I'll probably give it a day before/after or so. My heart can beat like crazy just from smoking to much weed sometimes. Thanks for the advice 
Anyways, yes. I'm aware of the health disadvantages of being addicted to caffeine. I'm also aware that smoking a cigarette is like puffing on a tail pipe. I still do it.
Are you guys gonna start nagging me for smoking cigarettes, too? Cuz personally, I thought that was lame when other kids were doing it in Elementary school. There's nothing worse than a seven year old who just saw his first picture of a smoker's lung and got the shit scared out of him and now he won't stop screaming at his parents for being bad people because they smoke.
Hell, that's probably half the reason I started smoking. Because everyone who didn't was such a complete fag about it.
So, great, I'm gonna end up with lung cancer now because my peers were too easily lead into the DARE program and made it too gay not to smoke. THX GUYZ
So your taking the Rue alone? Don't expect anything but feeling like shit.
And being addicted to caffeine, which I find terribly sad, does not make you badass, nor does cigarettes. I sure hope you never try coke or heroine because your ass will be on the streets in a week.
Have some willpower man.
dude thats why i gota say caapi caapi alone feels fucking great and last for days !
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thecazz723
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Re: Is it really very important to avoid caffeine with Syrian Rue? [Re: thedudenj]
#12131714 - 03/02/10 11:33 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok....listen, I drink coffee every day like most people. I always drink my coffee the morning I take syrian rue and have had no problems. I have run this experiment at least 5 times and taken my blood pressure every time....there is no problem. Drink your coffee in the AM and wait about 4 hours then begin your rue and whatever to follow. If you don't believe me, run the experiment yourself and walk down to your local CVS/Walgreens and take your BP at the pharmacy area.
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LSDXM
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Re: Is it really very important to avoid caffeine with Syrian Rue? [Re: thecazz723]
#12131920 - 03/03/10 12:14 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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awesome
I knew this would eventually come back around to the original topic
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Chemical Sandman
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Re: Is it really very important to avoid caffeine with Syrian Rue? [Re: LSDXM]
#12132966 - 03/03/10 08:06 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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yea the whole 48 dietary guidelines is fairly overkill. I've drank and ate many things anywhere from 6-12 hours before a rue trip and never had a problem, however I would always wait at least 6 hours.
I do not condone this whatsoever, but I do agree that 6 hours is usually enough for most foods. That is the few that I have tried, one of which isn't caffeine.
Story - I had a friend who I gave rue. He wanted to use them with mushrooms, so I gave him a list of the dietary guidelines. He decides to brew his mushrooms in green tea (ginseng) for him and his buddy.
They never got sick, but had a terrible headache all night which killed the trip.
-------------------- "It's that in me there is no sorcery, there is no anger, there are no lies. Because I don't have garbage, I don't have dust. The sickness comes out if the sick vomit. They vomit the sickness. They vomit because the mushrooms want them to. If the sick don't vomit, I vomit. I vomit for them and in that way the malady is expelled. The mushrooms have power because they are the flesh of God. And those that believe are healed. Those that do not believe are not healed."(Maria Sabina) "Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres." (Albert Einstein)
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LSDXM
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Re: Is it really very important to avoid caffeine with Syrian Rue? [Re: Chemical Sandman]
#12133865 - 03/03/10 11:38 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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hahahahaha Well that's just plain thoughtless and uncaring
Granted, I have absolutely no intention of quitting caffeine. But I mean, I'd like to A) not die, B) not have a completely shitty experience.
Why would you make a green tea out of it when you literally KNOW it's dangerous/potentially at least painful to do so?
That's like saying "Hey, I got this Syrian Rue It says it's dangerous to mix with caffeine and dairy but hey... let's mix it up with a nice Charamel Machiatto from starbucks <3"
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