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P. semilanceata
    #1213078 - 01/13/03 12:43 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Will someone plz link me to some thorough indoor cultivation info on
P. semilanceata? I cant seem to find any cultivation info except for the breif at Sporeworks. Thanks


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: Fungusmaximus]
    #1213083 - 01/13/03 12:46 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

There isn?t any such info because the indoor cultivation, cultivation of P. semilanceata in general, is very difficult and has only a very tiny success rate.


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: Anno]
    #1213094 - 01/13/03 01:01 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

sO then, pretty mush just take what you know and apply it the best way possible.
Sounds like a field that needs some TEK...
I might have the answer...
Can you give me some growth parameters, plz?


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: Anno]
    #1213103 - 01/13/03 01:08 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Anno have you ever tryed it your self?
Or had any thoughts on its cultivation sucsess?

I've read many different aproaches but havent seen
many conclusions.The only person i think i rember seeing
have some sucsess was work man.

And whiterastas outdoor tek has to be tryed.

i suppose what im asking is
A.Do you think it has a symbiotic realationship with certain grasses.
B.or with certain bacteria.
C.or with both
D.or something else?

in the wild they seem to grow on a wide range
of grasses from golf courses to coastal sedges.
And from lush paddocks to barren hill sides.

Ive picked them on acid soil,clay soil and chalk so
not sure about ph's

This is something im very interessted in so
sorry to jump your thread :frown:


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: G a n j a]
    #1213110 - 01/13/03 01:15 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

This is something im very interessted in so
sorry to jump your thread 
 




Nahhh, forget aboouut it! :wink: 


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: Fungusmaximus]
    #1213140 - 01/13/03 01:45 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The best info at my jhands is the link to sporeworks:

http://www.sporeworks.com/semilan.html


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: Anno]
    #1213233 - 01/13/03 03:41 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Cheers anno

Work man if you see this how are the outside trials going?
Or are they more likley to prouduce fruits next year.


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: G a n j a]
    #1213622 - 01/13/03 07:22 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I am going to attempt indoor fruiting in the next few weeks. I imagine I won't have results for months and still may fail. I am using the same strain that fruited relatively easily outdoors. My outdoor bed fruited in the fall and spring for two seasons before being exhausted.


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: Workman]
    #1214909 - 01/13/03 03:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Did you feed the bed with Poo water and supliment with fresh crap also?My beds are still producing after 4yrs One has spread even but I feed fresh ruminant crap and poowater 2-3x/yr.
Also I truly believe there is something in the gut of ruminants which governs fruiting.I have started beds with heathy mycelium and they just peter out, but if it has passed thru a critters gut they seem to fruit without problem(that donkey is responsible for at least a dozen succeses)I wonder if the spores actually germinate in the colon of ruminants and and are subjected to something which stimulates fruiting? Any way I believe it is just a matter of time before Semi's are as easily cultivated as cyans and azures but the tek just may involve a grass eating critter at some point :confused: WR 


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: whiterasta]
    #1215821 - 01/13/03 09:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

>My beds are still producing after 4yrs

Can you give us some details on how you produced them?


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: whiterasta]
    #1215822 - 01/13/03 09:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

the bigest fruiting  of Libs I have ever seen was on a soccer field in Holland, The soil was sandy with some peat. the local farmers regularly spread liquid cow manure as fertilizer.I would say a magic combo it was imposible to walk anywhere on the field without walking on them  :cool: 


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: winelover]
    #1215877 - 01/13/03 09:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Interestingly the field was never grazed  by animals :shocked: 


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: winelover]
    #1215884 - 01/13/03 09:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

But you said it was sprayed with liquid manure :smile: that went through a cow once  :wink:


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: G a n j a]
    #1215951 - 01/13/03 09:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

True :grin: 


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: Anno]
    #1216260 - 01/14/03 02:51 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

As I mentioned in another post,I penned a donkey in a wet area of my land and after he had crapped about a bit I began feeding him a small handful of semi's a couple times a week for about 3 months with his hay and grain and in the fall I had semi's.I have since given back the donkey and give the beds a yearly suppliment of poowater and composted manure(more poowater if it is dry in Aug-Sept).I can collect around 1-4 dry oz in spring(short window) and up to an lb dry in fall(long window).This is the only method I've managed to get fruit from with semi's,I have inoculated healthy (seemingly) mycelium into suitible(seemingly)areas and fed with the same poowater as my "Assbeds" and watched as the mycelium either would never recover and die outright or it ould only weakly grow and peter out.Is it possible the an enzyme or bacteria in the colon of ruminants induces fruiting? a combo of mycorhyzoidal association with grasses and enteric bacteria?I do not know but that ass has started a dozen sites using this method :grin: I keep a culture of some of my favorite strain of semi's in honey in hopes that someone will someday develop a indoor tek(semi's are so small that they usually aren't all that clean after a big rain :smirk:)
BTW P. semillanceata have controled a condition I've had since heart surgery called Atrial Fibrillation,a supposedly untreatable(by reasonable methods)condition of chaotic interference in the neurology of the atrium of the heart.Well about 2g taken every other month COMPLETLY controls this condition for me.Cubes and Pans do not do the trick only semi's, cyans,and azures(baeocystin,norbaeocystin?)Anyway that is what got me going on the psychoactives again.Also I can only take part of the credit for this "Asstek" method,I got the idea when the donkeys owner mentioned that "those damn mushrooms grow where ever I pen him after awhile" and I noticed that the ass was eating "those damn mushrooms" with the grass.That is how I "discovered"
"Asstek" psilocybin :grin:WR
P.S. choose your site carefully most places I've seen them grow remain somewhat damp all yr,try to find a similar habitat to pen your ruminant(sheep,horse,ass,cow, goat crap doesn't seem to produce semi's here) Bon Chance WR :wink:


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: whiterasta]
    #1216270 - 01/14/03 03:03 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Dam a sheep it is then as i havent got room for a cow :tongue:
Shame you cant milk sheep(well you can but i aint)May
be i should get one of those goats thats nearly a sheep.

Sorta worried about telling people why i got a sheep lol
cant say why so there gona think im welsh/a newzealander/or
an australian or something :grin:

Pigs digestion is out i suppos,and so is making my chickens trip :smile:
Wrong digestion :frown:

Thanks again for the info W.R :smile:

ive been thinking about next time i pick
libs getting a piece of soil from the base
and sprinkling it onto an agar plate and try to grow
whats in there,then if pos seperate the strains of
bacteria ext onto seperate plates and once
sorted add each one to a seperate jar of inocultated
semi mycelium.I know ill lose most to contams as thats
basicaly what ill be growing.

But im thinking i could hit lucky and find one that will work
in unision with the semi mycelium adding to it in some way.

Does this sound stupid?has similar been tryed out on other species?




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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: G a n j a]
    #1216287 - 01/14/03 03:21 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'd say that trying to culture and add enteric bacteria to fungal cultures will be an enormouse task as a hobbyist,with thousands of combinations and variables.My thinking on it is to study their natural niche and work back from that as opposed to trying to work from lab to fruit.A broad sampling of different semi substrates should start to give up some microbial and environmental data that will help.I just think it is easier to study what nature has already done and copy,rather than try to reinvent natures methods from scratch so to speak.Bon Chance! WR


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: whiterasta]
    #1216306 - 01/14/03 03:53 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah its a long shot but hey i have time :smile:

The main ways im trying this spring are.

1.Deturf an area of grass,add 1 inch of rotted sheep maure
Then replace turf and leave alone

2.Start some Flats(The wooden tray that specailist turf is grown in)
i'm thinking about 3.  1 with mixed loam and well rotted sheep maure spawned and seeded at the smae time.
The second with the same medium but chit the seed first(soak it in water till its germinated)then do the same spawn and seed at the same time,and the third start
the seed early on the same medium then when the grass is growing top dress with dryed screened manure and spawned seed.

3.Borrow a pony and feed it the last of my supplys lol.

As to damp sites to use.I live in the uk rain is something we have plenty of :smile:
Also the ones ill be starting from are picked from the top of a hill.That is basicaly 1 to 2 inches of topsoil over chalk so these must be more tolerant to drought than there us counterparts.

This prob just looks like newbie ramberlings lol but should keep me busy for a while :smile:


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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: G a n j a]
    #1216319 - 01/14/03 04:09 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I have thought a lot about there natural habitate and
from my own experiecne i have found them on a wide
range of soil types,altitudes,near the sea,in long grass,short grass
and even on manicured lawns were the only posible animal droppings
could have been rabbits.So this leads me to think there is somthing
else(a key as such)that if found would make them an easy grow subject.

I dont think personaly that the spores must go through an animal,but
more lke they  must come incontact with animal droppings already containing certain bacteria ext.

Though when you look at the gastriod liberty caps whos caps dont open to drop spores and when you look at semmis whos caps barely open,then i think your argment that going through a digestive system is benerfical to the spread of the geinus could be pretty valid.

Still much to ponder

And i wish you the best of luck work man in your tests :smile:
Youve got a better chance than me for finding out the hows :smile:

Just as long as you share your findings lol :P
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Re: P. semilanceata [Re: G a n j a]
    #1216347 - 01/14/03 04:35 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I think if I actually get fruit indoors or even a reliable easy O/D tek it will be more luck than skill :wink:But what ever I manage I will post(If I believe it valid :wink: )Cyans and azures are much easier to have sucess with and much more productive.Semi's however have a VERY high potency which might be improved if an indoor tek were developed Again Bon Chance!WR


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