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the man
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more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT
#12128823 - 03/02/10 04:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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im wondering if anyone has experience with either of these. i know azures are said to yield a bit more. but i am pushing the limits of where this will grow, so i am curious which is more hardy? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated aswell.
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Edited by the man (03/03/10 01:57 AM)
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan?? [Re: the man]
#12128894 - 03/02/10 04:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't grown azures, but cyans are pretty finicky.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan?? [Re: the man]
#12131458 - 03/02/10 10:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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You should read this thread; Wisconsin Azure Grow.
If he can get azures to grow in Wisconsin's cold climate, you should have a chance.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan?? [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#12132293 - 03/03/10 02:01 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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good news! im thinking it wont be a problem to get any of those to go. just might not return the next year if i dont insulate!
anyone know about subaeruginosa? i know it needs more pine, but the more i read the more these all seem pretty much the same deal. i have easier access to subaeruginosa and cyan so thats what will likely happen. and from what i gather they are all pretty well same potency and grow in same conditions. I was thinking about subaeruginosa just to see if it works but now it seems more of a hassle to get pine instead of just normal alder wood chips like for the cyan.
Thanks!
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan?? [Re: the man]
#12132759 - 03/03/10 06:39 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had azures fruit outside in Northern Michigan. The patch has survived 3 winters now.
I've had a cyan patch that doesn't seem to die, but still doesn't fruit.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan?? [Re: the man]
#12133105 - 03/03/10 08:50 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had some experience with cyans and azures in Canada. From my experience success/failure has a more to do with when these species fruit rather than just whether they can survive the winter. I'm in zone 5 and have found both to tolerate the winter with even fairly minimal protection...a good layer of straw...but the problem is the "window of opportunity" for fruiting. If the weather is good, lots of rain and coolish temps in september cyans will fruit (as early as mid sept.) but azures seem to be a little later and if it gets past end of Oct. you get hard freezes and it's all over before they really get started. It's kind of a "catch 22", the azures like the colder temps for fruiting but by the time the temps are good, there's not enough time left to get a good flush. If I was choosing which to grow in a zone 5 or lower, I'd go with cyans.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan?? [Re: rolly]
#12134066 - 03/03/10 12:06 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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hahah well im lad everyone is finding the same thing! haha
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: the man]
#12140855 - 03/04/10 09:46 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilocybe cyanescens conquered the world on its own. Azures remained confined to a small area.
I would go with Cyans.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: Asante]
#12141451 - 03/04/10 11:56 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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good stuff, think i just might! the previous poster sounded maybe they were Talking about pancyan.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: the man]
#12142618 - 03/04/10 02:51 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilocybe cyanescens is more hardy than P azurescens. Azures grow along the coastline where it rarely freezes. Cyans range further inland and are often covered by snow in the winter in Seattle and suburbs. RR
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT *DELETED* [Re: the man]
#12142628 - 03/04/10 02:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: RogerRabbit]
#12146139 - 03/05/10 12:24 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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now i have p cyan. jamaica domesticate, how much of a difference do you think this would make for fruiting in a back yard in Oregon (lane county)
i'm planning on using my neighbor's compost, and i'll post some pictures
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: jingus]
#12146177 - 03/05/10 12:31 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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we are talking about Psilocybe cyanescens no Pan cyans..
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: the man]
#12166689 - 03/08/10 07:40 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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In regard to Rolly's comments, one wonders if some kind of coldframe or small hoop house placed over the bed at fruiting time, and more specifically, towards the latter part of fruiting time, might not extend the season? Temps would still be cool, but perhaps remain above freezing that way.
Just a thought. BTW, a friend wanted to create just such an outdoor bed for P. cyanescens in a cold climate many decades ago. One attempt was made, but failed in the earlier agar and grain stages. This friend is now contemplating this again. Zone 4/5. They know this is zone-pushing, but given some comments here, does not seem outright undoable. What think ye?
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: dip]
#12170517 - 03/09/10 12:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Appreciate the suggestion dip. I guess I'd been trying to keep things as simple as possible but I think you're right, some sort of late fall protection would really help. I'm hoping to have a greenhouse in the near future so may give the azures another try but once you start covering, the question of rain getting to the patch comes up and gets more and more complicated.
I've certainly seen azures grown in zone 4 or lower but probably not without being able to move it indoors for part of the winter, (a friend in Thunder Bay, northern Ontario would back that up). It seems to me that getting the patch to survive some really low temps is less of a problem than getting them them to go through their their fruiting process in the time and conditions allowed in more northern, colder areas.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: the man]
#12170693 - 03/09/10 01:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why on Earth is this thread in Advanced Mycology??
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: German Kahuna]
#12171124 - 03/09/10 02:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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move it please. my bad
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: German Kahuna]
#12171145 - 03/09/10 02:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would say because anything in the cultivation forum that isn't about cubensis is pretty well overwhelmed? Where would you post it?
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: rolly]
#12171996 - 03/09/10 04:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
rolly said: I would say because anything in the cultivation forum that isn't about cubensis is pretty well overwhelmed? Where would you post it?
Mushroom cult should be renamed "Cubensis cultivation".
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#12172079 - 03/09/10 04:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mushroom cult should be renamed "Cubensis cultivation".
Agreed.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: wisp]
#12172181 - 03/09/10 04:54 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I agree also, your best to make your post in the Grow Logs and Pictures Forum! inski.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: inski]
#12172192 - 03/09/10 04:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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k guys quite derailing and let it die!!!! ive been on here since before you guys were able to type. jk peace
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: the man]
#12177129 - 03/10/10 11:55 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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i agree too. its funny as i made a post about an outdoor cyan patch the other day. we have a good thread about it in the hunting forum but no one really looks at it anymore and its not really a hunting question. so i posted it in the cult forum and had no replies and i said in that post" is no one helping me because its not a cubensis question"? or something to that effect. i did end up getting 1 or 2 replies though. but it is 99% cube related.
the actual "outdoor cult forum" seems to have been dead for years.maybe it needs a resurection as, ya this is not advance mycology.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#12179467 - 03/10/10 07:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's something used in gardening called "floating row covers". I'd google it up right now to refresh my memory about what they consist of, but my 'puter's acting very balky tonight. Possibly another workaround. But yes, allowing rainfall in would be a problem with what I suggested above.
Anyone....any thoughts on what I mentioned about a friend who was thinking about making an attempt at an outdoor bed of P. cyanescens in Z4/5. She would be happy even if it was able to fruit just one season I am told. Incidentally, this gal does not feel very confident working with agar and other sterile tech. Is there any way, short of being very lucky and knowing just the right person that already has an established bed, to acquire some mycellium with which to inoculate said bed?
Any comments appreciated, even if only to tell me to fug off with such a question!
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: dip]
#12206476 - 03/15/10 01:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe that outdoor woodlover cult thread from hunting and ID needs to go to the outdoor section. Might liven things up a bit
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: the man]
#27509734 - 10/19/21 02:44 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I may get crap for reviving an old post (although it's old enough no one will remember it anyway so it's like it's new!) but I had to talk to "the man". Glad to see after all this time you still come back for a visit! Just wanted to know how your outdoor patch went. I am in southern Ontario and I have the same 3 varieties to try, Ps. Cyan, Azurescens and Subaeruginosa. It was an amazing fall here and I would guess it would be a great year for these mushrooms as well.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: Adventure2000]
#27519491 - 10/26/21 09:29 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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All three have overwintered here in zone 5 for multiple seasons. Ovoid's I think are most likely to be the hardiest but those were not mentioned lol. The cyans pop up earlier than the azzies so depending on your freeze you may or may not get fruits. Ovoids fruit in June here so they are pretty consistent annually as our freeze could happen give or take a month in each direction and the fall fruiters are not as dependable in that regard.
Reviving an old post is a function of the Shroomery as it was created and is maintained. You are only using a function of the site as intended by it's creator. Any crap is just that, crap. Reviving an old thread is useful sometimes as is reviving an old piece of ycelium. The fact remains that this topic has actually been brought up to me multiple times lately in differing venues so you're right on with the current synchronized thought patterns. Seems like a good wave of woodies is coming up and that's cool because they are great.
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Re: more hardy? azure or cyan??or subaeruginosa? EDIT [Re: Adventure2000]
#27523018 - 10/29/21 03:31 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is an active discussion on hardiness in the official woodlovers thread in the cultivation forum.
Sounds like they are all fairly hardy and comparable.
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