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OfflineEchoVortex
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Re: Progress Report [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1335026 - 02/25/03 01:34 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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i'd say only include those that actually debate in this forum.....dare say: post count?...or sumthin'

we all know who comes around a lot.




That's definitely a good idea for the next round. My feeling is we should just wrap up this round as soon as possible and treat it as a trial run. Next round will be open to all forum "regulars" (you know who you are).


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Re: Progress Report [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1335031 - 02/25/03 01:35 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Ok! Here is my second proposal:

b) All citizens are innocent until proven guilty. In accordance with this principle, all citizens who are brought to trial, shall only pay their expenses of defense if proven guilty. If proven innocent, that citizen shall receive full reimbursement from the government.


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Re: Progress Report [Re: pattern]
    #1336399 - 02/25/03 11:51 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

My second proposal is as follows.

all govermnment controlled social programs and laws will be voted on by the people (majority rule) while holding the right to veto any past programs or laws that the public deems unnessesary, corrupt or innefficient by a voted on proposal.


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Edited by Innvertigo (02/26/03 07:59 AM)


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1336997 - 02/26/03 06:07 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Any Law Enforcement personel, Government agent, Politician, Member Of Congress or The House of Representitives or Government employee, whether on a federal, stale or local level, that commits a crime against the people of freedome of the people shall be tried for acts of treason, minimum sentanceing guidelins shall be not less that 3 times that of a civilian or a penalty of DEATH, upon conviction.

I'm tired of those fuckers getting away with everything, they are supposed to UPHOLD the law, not break it so the punishment should be more severe

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Re: Progress Report [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1337183 - 02/26/03 07:48 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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I still have 2 vetos left (1 by being the second poster and 1 as my default)




Hi Inny, I'm sorry if I didn't make the rules completely clear. According to the original rules, most players only get EITHER one principle OR one veto (now that we've changed the rules a bit, everyone gets two). Since you were the number two player, you are allowed ONE VETO ONLY in addition to your two principles.

I hope this clarifies things, and sorry again for the confusion.


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Re: Progress Report [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1337202 - 02/26/03 07:58 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

AIGHT..no prob


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Re: Progress Report [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1338260 - 02/26/03 02:55 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm also beginning to think that since so few people seem to be participating, maybe we should try giving everybody TWO principles to submit (three for stonedfish, since he went first) just to make things a little more interesting and complex.  What do you think? 




anyway. drugs for everyone is THE Principle. Do not try to understand it in any other transparency shit.

third: internet in every home can pass considering the fact you cant count  :cool:


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Re: Progress Report [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1338317 - 02/26/03 03:26 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Can we get a round up of where we're up to?


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OfflineEchoVortex
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Re: Progress Report [Re: MushyMay]
    #1339859 - 02/27/03 07:20 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Can we get a round up of where we're up to?




Sure thing.

1: The right to do as desired in the privacy of one's home shall not be infringed, provided said action does not infringe on another's basic rights as a human being (life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness).

2. freedom of religion, speech, and the press, and grants the right to petition for redress and to assemble peaceably.

3. Every child, at the age of 16 and under has the right to free education.

4. Political leaders shall be chosen by democratic majority election. The privilege (not right) to vote is contingent upon: A) reaching the age of majority, and B) passing a basic competency test of functional literacy and knowledge of the constitution of the land. The test will not be prohibitively difficult: just basic functional literacy and knowledge of the key principles.

5. All citizens are innocent until proven guilty. In accordance with this principle, all citizens who are brought to trial, shall only pay their expenses of defense if proven guilty. If proven innocent, that citizen shall receive full reimbursement from the government.

6. All govermnment controlled social programs and laws will be voted on by the people (majority rule) while holding the right to veto any past programs or laws that the public deems unnessesary, corrupt or innefficient by a voted on proposal.

7. Any Law Enforcement personel, Government agent, Politician, Member Of Congress or The House of Representitives or Government employee, whether on a federal, stale or local level, that commits a crime against the people of freedome of the people shall be tried for acts of treason, minimum sentanceing guidelins shall be not less that 3 times that of a civilian or a penalty of DEATH, upon conviction.

8. Full legalization of drugs for everyone.

9. Full transparency of all government decisions and deliberations.















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Re: Progress Report [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1340385 - 02/27/03 10:09 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

So what are the new posting rules now?


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Re: Progress Report [Re: Anonymous]
    #1340523 - 02/27/03 10:55 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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So what are the new posting rules now?




Everyone gets an additional principle, so you still have one coming to you.
Posting for this round is still limited to the people who are registered. Once we finish this up, we'll try again with all forum regulars invited.


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Re: Progress Report [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1340582 - 02/27/03 11:09 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Okay......my next proposal is...

Each citizen is allowed to select which government department gets their income tax dollars each year.


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Re: Progress Report [Re: pattern]
    #1340690 - 02/27/03 11:40 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

OK my third will be an amendment to this one:

All citizens are innocent until proven guilty. In accordance with this principle, all citizens who are brought to trial, shall only pay their expenses of defense if proven guilty. If proven innocent, that citizen shall receive full reimbursement from the government.

This principle will extend to civil lawsuits. If one is sued but the jury decides in his/her favor, the (suing party) will be required to fully reemburse the defendant for lost wages, travel expenses, legal expenses, and any other expense incurred during the lawsuit.


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Re: Progress Report [Re: Anonymous]
    #1340906 - 02/27/03 01:26 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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This principle will extend to civil lawsuits. If one is sued but the jury decides in his/her favor, the (suing party) will be required to fully reemburse the defendant for lost wages, travel expenses, legal expenses, and any other expense incurred during the lawsuit. 




I like it!  :laugh:  I think the legal system will be more prudent with rules like these.  An end to frivilous lawsuits. 


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Re: Progress Report [Re: pattern]
    #1340975 - 02/27/03 02:01 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

and lawyers would actually have to tell the truth...


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Re: Progress Report [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1341768 - 02/27/03 11:48 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i've got an itchy "Veto" finger...someone put down somthing i can kill :grin:


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Edited by Innvertigo (02/27/03 11:48 PM)


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Re: Progress Report [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1341983 - 02/28/03 03:30 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Tell me about it...I was hoping it was going to be one of yours that I used my veto on... :wink:


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Re: Progress Report [Re: Rono]
    #1342072 - 02/28/03 04:25 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i was going to veto your Income tax plan (still thinking about it) because i feel that income tax is stealing the peoples' money but i'm going to hold of until i see if there are any wacky libbie proposals.


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Re: Progress Report [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1342081 - 02/28/03 04:33 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

So you don't think there should be ANY taxes?...How do you propose to pay for your right wing war machine?  :smirk:


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Re: Progress Report [Re: Rono]
    #1342087 - 02/28/03 04:37 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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How do you propose to pay for your right wing war machine? 



we've got enough guns as it is...oh wait that right to defend ourselves got vetoed by Mushymay :smirk:

I like the Sales tax idea, flat tax etc., but i do like your idea of having the tax payer choose where that money goes.  If anything i would probably restructure it so as to not take away funding towards national defense so much that it is useless.  Who knows, possibly inacting a minimum needed clause. :confused:


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