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OfflineEchoVortex
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Political Philosophy Game
    #1212790 - 01/12/03 08:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I (like many others I'm sure) am getting tired of the same old arguments, the same old ideological fault lines being played out in this forum day after day, week after week, month after month.  So I would like to propose the following diversion:

The Political Philosophy Game

Every player is allowed to submit ONE and ONLY ONE principle of organization or rule that defines the "right", the "good", the "just", or the "ideal" State.  Once a principle has been submitted, it cannot be submitted again (multiple votes for the same principle do not give more weight).

Every submitted principle will  be considered valid (unless vetoed) and be incorporated into the mock "Constitution".

Instead of submitting a principle, a player may choose to use his or her ballot to "veto" a principle that has already been submitted.  Once a principle has been vetoed, it cannot be submitted again, and the player who proferred the veto is ineligble to submit a principle of his or her own.

Some principles will logically contradict one another, even though the second of the two was not necessarily submitted as a "veto" of the first.  In such cases every effort will be made to accomodate compromise versions of the two principles, if such a thing is possible.  If it is impossible, the two principles will cancel one another out (the second principle acting there as a de facto "veto").

In general, the game will be more interesting if the submitted principles are neither too specific nor too broad.  If somebody submits, for example, that "The best State is no State" (i.e., pure Anarchy), most of the other principles (which logically presume the existence of a State of SOME sort) will contradict it and essentially render it pointless.  On the other hand, if somebody submits something like "15% of government revenue should be spent on Medicare" we are leaving the realm of principles and entering the realm of policy.

I would imagine that the nature of the game will result in very few principles actually surviving until the very end.  In fact, I think there's a very real possibility that NO principles will survive to the very end.  But if a few of them do, it will be interesting to discover that there might be a few things that we all agree on.  Most of the surviving principles will probably tend to be pretty unoffensive and milquetoast, but hey, that's the nature of committee work, right?  One interesting feature of this game is that it gives you a chance to consider what is the single most important political idea you embrace.  If you could take only one political principle to a desert island, what would it be?  :grin: (I hope you all got that)

In order to keep this somewhat manageable, all who wish to participate must register beforehand (by making a post stating their intention to participate).  After about a week or so I think we can close the registration process, after which no new participants will be allowed in.  This is to prevent last-minute "tweaking" by way of sock-puppets, etc.  Also to keep the time frame manageable.

A reminder to all: this is a GAME and neither I nor any other reasonable person will think for a second that what emerges from all of this will be anything even remotely resembling a humanly possible form of government.  As this is meant to be a game and a diversion, this thread will NOT be the place for debate or argument concerning the principles involved.  In case you haven't noticed, there are hundreds of other threads in which people do just that, and you are always free to start hundreds more if you are so inclined.  If you want to start spinoff threads based on the principles submitted, be my guest but don't bring the debate in here.

If any of you have suggestions for making this game better, please post them.  This was just a random idea I had and it's still in rough shape.  Any suggestions for fine-tuning the game will be heartily appreciated.

So anybody up for it? 


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1212851 - 01/12/03 08:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'm in.


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1212861 - 01/12/03 08:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

me too


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OfflineSkikid16
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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1212939 - 01/12/03 09:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Great Idea, I'm in, or I'll try to be. :wink:


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1218469 - 01/14/03 05:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i'm down


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1218491 - 01/14/03 05:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like fun. Count me in.


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1316720 - 02/18/03 01:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Alright man, you got me all excited then left without a trace, you gave me intellectual blue balls, bastard.


Lets start this thing up here.


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1316726 - 02/18/03 01:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like this could be interesting...count me in.


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1316733 - 02/18/03 01:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

can i play?


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1316737 - 02/18/03 01:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The customary dot of approval: .


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: Rono]
    #1316742 - 02/18/03 01:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Well I bumped this thread in hopes of getting Echo's attention, seeing as it was his Idea. I will PM him, and if I don't get a response in a couple of days, then I say we pirateer his Idea and make it our own.


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1316785 - 02/18/03 01:41 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'm in...but only if I can be the Top Hat.  :wink: 


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1316896 - 02/18/03 02:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

im in. anyway, are you some sort of political activist? cause I am, looking for a higher good :smile:


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1317445 - 02/18/03 06:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry guys, I haven't checked the forum in a while and I didn't realize that there was renewed interest. Only four people or so replied to my original post and so I assumed that this was going to be a non-starter. But if you want to go ahead and try it, I'm game.

Here are the registered players so far:

Larrythescaryrex
Dilauded
Skikid16
PeachMan
I Fart Blue
Rono
mushmaster
stonedfish
MushyMay
Crobih

That makes 11 players with myself included. For this game to be any fun, I think we really need at least twice that number. I mean, we can still try it as is, but if we can round up another 10 people or so that would be great. With a game like this, the more the merrier. I suggest that we set the date to begin as Monday, February 24th. Between now and then I will try to fine tune the rules somewhat. I'm worried that later players will have a significant advantage over earlier players and I'm trying to figure out some kind of handicap system to make up for that.



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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1317515 - 02/18/03 07:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'm in!


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1317709 - 02/18/03 08:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds great.  Give it some time and I'm sure some more folks will mosey on in. 

Oh, some updates.

Larry is no longer posting, or at least he said he was going to be taking a hiatus from the shroomery.  (we miss you man, if you're reading this.)

And Diluded is no longer diluded, he is someone else, and I'm sure when he sees this thread he will join up.  You know who you are. :wink:


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1318032 - 02/19/03 01:55 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

luvdemshrooms:  come on!  You've got to be in this. :wink: 


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1318043 - 02/19/03 02:08 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'll jump in the fray. I'm a little confused on how exatly this game will pan out but why not.


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1325707 - 02/22/03 02:08 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

What are the numbers looking like now?


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Re: Political Philosophy Game [Re: MushyMay]
    #1326591 - 02/22/03 02:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

We're holding steady at about 12. What the hell, let's just go ahead with it as planned. If it's interesting maybe more people might want to participate in a second round. If not, no harm done.


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