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Re: Cop questions [Re: master_silly]
    #12128428 - 03/02/10 03:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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thats crazy they had no right to enter




youv never been searched by the cops have you? :/

right and warrants are TV movie garbage. In RL they do as they please. They will have a judge get up at 5 in the morning to drive to your damn house to sighn the warrant if they have to. I'v seen it with my own eyes. If they want you they will have you.

also i might add that they dont need your consent to enter an APT just the managers permission whom they usually already have a preexisting arrangement with. Allowing them to enter any APT at any time for any reason.


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Re: Cop questions [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #12128458 - 03/02/10 03:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

+ they were there to help...

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Re: Cop questions [Re: Synth Ethics]
    #12128547 - 03/02/10 03:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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+ they were there to help...



Cops don't come to your house to help. EVER. Even if there's a murder. They cone to make money. To arrest someone.  Helping people is the last thing on their mind. Trusting them or believing their propaganda is your first step to being caught.
It's a sad state of affairs but unfortunately that's what this country has come to.


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Re: Cop questions [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #12128558 - 03/02/10 03:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

for the most part i agree, but there are a FEW good cops out there...they are doing what we pay them to do, so i dont see where bashing them all is doing any good what so ever..

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Re: Cop questions [Re: biologys]
    #12128572 - 03/02/10 03:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't worry bro.  If they weren't suspicious at all, then you're good to go.  Don't freak yourself out.  Maybe as a precautionary, take your grow upstairs and out of the way.


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Re: Cop questions [Re: biologys]
    #12128578 - 03/02/10 03:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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for the most part i agree, but there are a FEW good cops out there...they are doing what we pay them to do, so i dont see where bashing them all is doing any good what so ever..




Well thats just where our opinions differ. I don't believe there Is such a thing as a good cop. Not in this society. And if they were good when they started they either don't make it or turn evil.
Either way I would HATE to see this dude get caught because hes just a hippie like the rest of us tryin to grow some fungus. And I think he should stop till he is sure the heat is off. I mean its only been a day they could be getting a warrant right now.
Im rly not trying to be a bummer but man if youv'e ever been on the wrong side of the law you learn not to take chances. Nothings worth being thrown thru the grinder. NOTHING


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Re: Cop questions [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #12128626 - 03/02/10 03:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i agree with that for the most part as well, done my time, pulled two 6 month periods in jail, which sucked bad..but the way i look at it is, i knew what i was doing was illegal and thats the chance i took, so they just did their jobs

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Re: Cop questions [Re: biologys]
    #12128671 - 03/02/10 03:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmmm? A few small charges spaced evenly around the door frame should give you some piece of mind!:wink:
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Re: Cop questions [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #12128704 - 03/02/10 03:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Grumpyorc said:
also i might add that they dont need your consent to enter an APT just the managers permission whom they usually already have a preexisting arrangement with. Allowing them to enter any APT at any time for any reason.




Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!

Read the 4th amendment. Rights aren't bullshit, the 4th amendment has saved me from prosecution on numerous occasions, its my favorite amendment next to the 2nd.

A renter of an apartment has the same rights as a home owner. A landlord cannot allow cops into your place, the cops require the RENTER'S permission.

The agreement between a landlord and a renter is just that, between them. It is illegal for a landlord to say otherwise in a lease agreement because they can't dictate your legal rights when it comes to police matters. Also, most lease agreements don't allow a landlord to enter when ever they want, they usually require 24 hours notice before they can enter.

In this case, however, since someone else called the police to report a break-in, and the door was wide open, the cops had the right to enter the apartment to see if any crimes had been or were being committed.

They did not have a right to search, and it seems they didn't. The only thing they can "search" is anything that is visible in plain sight (aka not hidden or in a drawer etc).

Since they saw the FCs and mycelium, they had a right to investigate what it was. Since they were not suspicious of it and didn't take anything for evidence, they probably won't be back.

The chances of them getting a warrant, if that wanted to, would be slim since they don't have any probable cause to believe any crime had been committed. Speculation is not a just reason for a warrant.

If they would have seen/found a pot pipe laying on the table or other area, then they would have just reason to search and seize anything they would have wanted. Since that didn't happen I, again, doubt they will be back.

If you are really worried then simply get rid of anything illegal (or hide it very well) for 30 to 60 days. Most of the time that cops return for some reason, is within 30 days. On the off-hand chance they take longer, I highly doubt it will be past the 60 day mark.

If you have dried mushrooms, hide them well, such as in the back of the cupboard or place them in another food box and tuck it away in the back of a cabinet. Cops don't tend to search very hard until they find something illegal. Once they find that one illegal item, they will tear the place apart looking for more.

Stay cool, and stay clean for at least a month.


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Re: Cop questions [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #12128705 - 03/02/10 03:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Grumpyorc said:
also i might add that they dont need your consent to enter an APT just the managers permission whom they usually already have a preexisting arrangement with. Allowing them to enter any APT at any time for any reason.




I don't believe this is true.  Just because they "own" the property doesn't mean they can enter or authorize someone to enter without providing proper legal notice, except in emergency circumstances (flood, fire, etc.). This has been my experience both as a tenant and a landlord, though it was a rental house and not an apartment.

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Re: Cop questions [Re: master_silly]
    #12128891 - 03/02/10 04:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

:hi:,
  I have a hunch someone knew exactly what they were looking for,and there was none to take at the moment.Someone who knows what you have/or may have most likely did it.They know what time you usually go to bed (give or take ),and know it was in the living room where they could slide right in and there it is,just waiting.I assume your front door leads into the living room which is connected to the dinning room.If you fed them to your neighbor fresh,they probably have a suspicion.Chances are,they came for some fungus,and they will probably make another attempt when they think it is time to harvest.
  As for the PO PO , that is a dilemma.I say 50/50.To be safe,as already suggested,quit for a month or two.But , then again, why wouldn't they have just investigated the tubs while they were in the home w/ probable cause.What a shitty situation.I would be paranoid too sweetheart.Be safe.For the next month or two ,be perceptive w/ everything and everybody around your place.Try to read the initial body language of the friends who know,and those neighbors who "munched",and also notice out of place vehicles/persons.Just by their body language ,you may be able to tell if it was someone you know.Don't go too crazy w/ the paranoia.I hope you are alright all in all.


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Re: Cop questions [Re: 99BOOMERMAN]
    #12128957 - 03/02/10 04:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I understand why there's a strong anti-cop vibe on this forum, but it's simply this:  cops are asses.  It's a side effect of dealing with people on a daily basis who at worst are actively trying to kill you, and at best, simply hate your guts.

It's true, the police business attracts a lot of bullies, but most cops join the force because they want to help people and develop that psychic cop wall because they don't know if that next person they talk to will end up being a criminal/try to kill them.

I've worked out with a number of cops.  They're decent guys if you meet them outside of the job, if a little cockier and more clannish than most.

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Re: Cop questions [Re: kiyote]
    #12129025 - 03/02/10 04:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

In Texas cops get shot for entering houses like that..


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Re: Cop questions [Re: Smartweed]
    #12129257 - 03/02/10 05:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I believe you're fine...cops generally have much larger fish to fry and things to worry about than a couple nice people growing a few mushrooms

Smile, for once someone won against the law :smile:


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Re: Cop questions [Re: bare.whiterabbit]
    #12129352 - 03/02/10 05:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Cops don't really care about anything besides getting off work and going home to wack off to internet porn. And about somebody coming into your apartment, it could have been somebody walking into your home because they thought it was theirs.....


but it's not like I've ever done that....
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Re: Cop questions [Re: ambargh]
    #12129764 - 03/02/10 06:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Blimey is correct in this and he put it quite well. Now i know it was a mistake on your part to keep the door unlocked but i really think you should have alittle stealth with the illegals I'm not saying a padlocked hidden room with lasers but not in the living room I'm in no way preaching but i would hate to hear a horror story about a fellow shroomerite getting in trouble  just for having something out in the open.So just keep yourself and your husband safe I wish you good vibes

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Re: Cop questions [Re: Sanguine]
    #12130001 - 03/02/10 07:23 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

You never tell the cops ANYTHING, PERIOD. If they have to ask about something, it's because they don't know and them not knowing is what you want.

Watch this:

"Don't Talk to Cops, Part 2"



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Re: Cop questions [Re: sansa]
    #12130390 - 03/02/10 08:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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You never tell the cops ANYTHING, PERIOD. If they have to ask about something, it's because they don't know and them not knowing is what you want.

Watch this:

"Don't Talk to Cops, Part 2"





Great watch, BTW, why you have me on ignore, spaz?


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Re: Cop questions [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #12130847 - 03/02/10 09:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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That would have me paranoid.  I would get rid of any active myc or mushrooms containing psilocin or psilocybin at least for a little while.  Better to be safe than sorry.  I would give it a few months.




I agree. Tho they will probably forget about it you would be nothing less than a fool to grow illegal shrooms there for at least the next 6 months. If one of those cops happens to take some cop class on cultivation and remembers you your fucked. At any point if ANY of those cops finds out how they are grown your fucked. Even if they don't have probably cause to search they will make it.
You could always risk it, and probably get away with it, but if you had set foot in a federal penitentiary like I have youd know its not something to take lightly. If they come back you and your wife can kiss your assess goodbye. They show no mercy, no forgiveness. They are just as bad as Hitlers SS once they think they can make a dime off you. They will take everything you have, everything you love, and will try their damnedest to make your marriage literally impossible (releasing you to different cities, making it illegal for you to live together because you deal drugs together, etc)
Think 1984. Were living it bro. Use caution
Anyway in short its MUCH better to be safe than sorry.





True.  They don't give a fuck about ruining your life over a few ounces of mushrooms you're going to consume yourself.  Yet a woman sent a man to jail for 4 years over phony rape charges and she gets 1-3 years in prison.  It's amazing how brainwashed police are over drugs.  They'll gladly drive drunk though, even on duty, which happened near me recently.  The cop crashed into another person and sent their car off the road.  Luckily he's been suspended without pay.

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Re: Cop questions [Re: CycleThoughts]
    #12131043 - 03/02/10 09:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

There are so many point to touch on. First off I'll preface by saying I know a thing or two about jail time, with that in mind I am a realist and more than a few cops do that job because they want to help in one way or another. Not that it really applies to this situation. However if they cam in to your apt to find you and the misses held at gun point being robbed by someone you would have sure been happy they did show up. I doubt they saw the open door and thought, oh look an opening to fuck with someone. But, sure there is a large mass or kids that got picked on, became cops and now fuck with everyne they can.

The biggest thing is who was in your house. If it was someone looking for your grow, they will definately be back.

As for the cop situation, holy fuck what an akward moment! I would definately be safe about it and chill out fr the next couple of months. Just in case. I think the word mushroom does in general raise eyebrows and maybe they didn't know exactly what it was but they do have to fill out reports about what they saw and waht happened.

I hope all your problems turn out ok. In the mean time, grow outside of your home and lock the door!

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