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OfflineStatisticons_win
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Re: Sanctions against Iran? Effective or Pointless. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12093608 - 02/25/10 08:59 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Much firmer measures need to be implemented.




for what... daring to stand up to the US, I commend them, I'd like to see
them have nuclear arms as well as power... no reason why a few nations
should have it and others are disallowed




they can have the nuke power. They were gonna be given rods that could be used in power capacities, but not easily converted to research capacities, or weapons capacities.


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Re: Sanctions against Iran? Effective or Pointless. [Re: Statisticons_win]
    #12093841 - 02/25/10 10:33 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

While I don't believe it is the only reason they rejected the deal, it was not acceptable because the Tehran research reactor is about run dry and they still need product for their hospitals.  I think the timeframe for the swap was a year or more, which wouldn't meet their needs. If they could find a way of shortening the timeframe, Iran would have absolutely nothing to complain about.


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Re: Sanctions against Iran? Effective or Pointless. [Re: Seuss]
    #12094924 - 02/25/10 02:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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As far as I can tell, it is too late.  In my opinion, Iran is less than a year from an atomic bomb, though a few years (two to three) from being able to weaponize it (i.e. make it deliverable).  However, I do not believe their intent is focused on atomic weapons so much as nuclear powered navel vessels.  Contrary to what the public is led to believe, a bomb can be made from just 6% enriched uranium.  For the later (naval vessels), they need highly enriched uranium (85% or better).




You cannot make a uranium weapon with 6% enriched uranium-235.  It must be up around 90% U-235 or else the fission reaction will never happen.  If you have low enriched uranium, you need to enrich it by some means before using it for bomb making.  It's expensive and difficult to get the enrichment up to 90%.  You can, however, make a plutonium-239 bomb.  Pu-239 is one of the waste products of the nuclear fuel cycle of light water reactors; however, the waste must be processed to removed some of the other shit, like americium.  Furthermore, the waste must have a low burnup so that there isn't much Pu-240, which if you included in the bomb, would likely detonate when you were building it.  Most commercial power reactors excrete high-burnup fuel and so their wast wouldn't be useful for bomb-building.  However, reactors that utilize online refueling can have the fuel taken out early when much of the uranium has converted to Pu-239, but not captured the extra neutron to turn to Pu-240.  Fast breeder reactors can also be used to convert natural uranium to weapons grade plutonium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons-grade

As for your other assertion, nuclear vessels do not need such highly enriched uranium.  It just depends how how small you want the reactor.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf34.html

In summary, I think Iran's nuclear interests reside in both bomb-making and commercial power reactors.


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Re: Sanctions against Iran? Effective or Pointless. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12098674 - 02/25/10 11:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Stand up to the US?  We owe them a severe asskickinng for their invasion of 1979.




OMFG... they invaded 1979?

"You have no right to complain, because you took our whole country hostage in 1953.” -Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini

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Do you think a mentally deranged person who has made repeated threats against others, assaulted others and generally made schizophrenic rants for decades should be allowed to possess a bazooka?




you're saying America should be disarmed or are you again comparing Apples to tennis shoes


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Re: Sanctions against Iran? Effective or Pointless. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12098950 - 02/26/10 12:17 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i like to point out Ach-monkey-face would not pass a background check for hand gun. So it's ok for him to have a nuke?
Iran needs the SAM launchers Russia was going to sell them. why Obama took down the eastern missile shield.Buy off Russians from selling the sams. When iran get's those sams that's when we ll know their close to a nuke.
  And as far as power; iran does not even have the infrastructure to effectively use a nuke plant? be cheaper for them to build coal and dams than nuke. As far research and med uses, they could sell oil to Russia for med plutonium or to us even.

Obama moved large forces to the middle east we are getting ready to go in. you think Obama would let monkey face make a fool of him on the world stage? Sorry, obama will preemptive strike iran to save his political Ass faster then you can say "bush did it!"


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Re: Sanctions against Iran? Effective or Pointless. [Re: deadmeat986]
    #12099161 - 02/26/10 12:50 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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i like to point out Ach-monkey-face would not pass a background check for hand gun.




what are the requirements to get a hand gun in Iran...

is this oranges and orangutans?


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Re: Sanctions against Iran? Effective or Pointless. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12100597 - 02/26/10 10:41 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Stand up to the US?  We owe them a severe asskickinng for their invasion of 1979.




OMFG... they invaded 1979?




Yes, they did.  Where were you?
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"You have no right to complain, because you took our whole country hostage in 1953.” -Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini



Ah yes, the fallacy of the omnipotent CIA.  Perhaps it would have been better as a Soviet puppet state.  The Soviets were very accomodating of religious whack jobs.
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Do you think a mentally deranged person who has made repeated threats against others, assaulted others and generally made schizophrenic rants for decades should be allowed to possess a bazooka?




you're saying America should be disarmed or are you again comparing Apples to tennis shoes




No. I'm saying the Iranians are ruled by raving lunatics.  You want to argue against that?

Other pronouncements of the Ayatollah Khomeini:

"A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine."

"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."

Like I said, fucking nutcases.  And you want to give them nukes.  Any argument of equivalency with the United States is beyond idiotic.


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Re: Sanctions against Iran? Effective or Pointless. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12105319 - 02/27/10 12:28 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm saying the Iranians are ruled by raving lunatics.  You want to argue against that?




I'm saying that the US is in the same boat, it's another argument with a close parallel


how exactly does a nation invade a year


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Re: Sanctions against Iran? Effective or Pointless. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12106555 - 02/27/10 10:20 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

That's an acceptable sentence structure for something that happened that year.  "War of 1812".  Heard of it?


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Re: Sanctions against Iran? Effective or Pointless. [Re: Statisticons_win]
    #12121345 - 03/01/10 05:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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A conventional military is still the only way to exert influence on regional and geo-political issues.




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Re: Sanctions against Iran? Effective or Pointless. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12123028 - 03/01/10 09:37 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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That's an acceptable sentence structure for something that happened that year.  "War of 1812".  Heard of it?





Iran invaded 1812 too?

bomb those bastards back to the stone age

last week in purrrrrsia




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