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Randomstickynote



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Have you used horse manure in a substrate before?
If it's been weathered properly it smells and feels like dirt, not shit. If it smells like shit then it's not ready to use yet and you have to let it weather in the sun a week or two.
PC'ing grains puts out a stronger smell than PC'ing a horse manure substrate, and if you were to just pasteurize it, it wouldn't smell at all unless you've got your face right near it. When you walk outside do you say, man it smells like dirt out here? No, you've got to get your ass down on the ground to smell the dirt.
So what is your question? You need a way you can grow without using grains too much, without using shit at all, without using PF cakes, and without building a fruiting chamber and without lifting things, and without getting a PC?
Edited by Randomstickynote (02/27/10 06:10 PM)
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punkrocker292004
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Randomstickynote said: Have you used horse manure in a substrate before?
If it's been weathered properly it smells and feels like dirt, not shit. If it smells like shit then it's not ready to use yet and you have to let it weather in the sun a week or two.
PC'ing grains puts out a stronger smell than PC'ing a horse manure substrate, and if you were to just pasteurize it, it wouldn't smell at all unless you've got your face right near it. When you walk outside do you say, man it smells like dirt out here? No, you've got to get your ass down on the ground to smell the dirt.
So what is your question? You need a way you can grow without using grains too much, without using shit at all, without using PF cakes, and without building a fruiting chamber and without lifting things, and without getting a PC?
hahahaha sticky note i had no idea it didnt smell like shit when aged so i might just get some thanks for the info but my question is really whats the best bag sub and yes im gonna have to get a pc obviously to make bags hahahaa but i was initially trying to avoid manure cuz i was under the if presion that it smelled and was initially asking about mad season bags but the thought occured may as well just get a pc since 10 bags is like a hundred bux
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Randomstickynote



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Yeah, 10 bags from TMS is gonna run you the same amount as a 23qt presto PC, and you'll get way more use out of the PC. Now if you're just trying to get some mushrooms and coast on those for a few months, those bags might be worth it to avoid doing all the work that growing entails.
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punkrocker292004
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I LOVE THE HOBBY DONT GET ME WRONG BUT pF CAKES AND MONOS ARE TO WAY TOO MUCH FUCKIN WORK LOL id like to make up like 30 or 40 bags and put it in a big tub with a comp fan on the side and fan like that with a 12/12 cfl light cycle im lokkin for like 10 zips a flush dry invitro love makin the shit hate maintaining it cuz im in college and have alot of studys so back to my question whats a good recipe you recomend and whats a good aged poo provider
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Randomstickynote



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punkrocker292004 said: so back to my question whats a good recipe you recomend and whats a good aged poo provider
I don't know where to tell you to get aged poo, other than horse pastures. They're usually glad to give it away.
As for recipes, wronguys bags are good, but any substrate will still work good for you. The ones that I made, in order of greatest to least, were made of:
hydrated verm rye berries (prepped as if I'd be using them for spawn) BRF worm castings coffee gypsum flax meal soybean oil
No poo, basically big cakes as I said earlier. The liquid used to hydrate the verm was 50/50 coffee/water with 10ml of humic acid and 2tbsp soybean oil. I microwaved it for 1 minute, mixed thouroughly (to distribute the soybean oil) then stirred into the vermiculite.
To soak the grains I used about the same, minus the soybean oil. 50/50 coffee/water with 30ml humic acid per gallon of water.
I mixed the flax, BRF and Gypsum together (to make the sub more consistent) before I mixed them into the hydrated verm, and I mixed the coffee, rye and worm castings in after that.
There's plenty of good recipes you can use though, with mine I inoculated directly with spores. You can't really do that very well with wronguy bags and most poo/straw/coir based subs. It might work though, I imagine LC or grain transfer is a better way to do it though.
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punkrocker292004
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omg thank you so so much this is so very helpful man but one q what the fuck is humic acid and can i leave that out of the mix
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Randomstickynote



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Yeah, by all means. Humic acid in theory helps the mycelium decompose the substrate a little more, get more out of your substrate, but I haven't noticed THAT much of a difference since using it, and the difference I have noticed could just be from getting better at all of my processes.
They gave it to me free at the local hydro shop though, so I figure why not use it if you've got a whole bottle.
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punkrocker292004
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25% verm 25% millet or wbs rye berries 10% brf 10% worm castings 10% spent coffee grounds 8% gypsom 10% flax meal 2% oil
bout right?
im tryin to do like 2 lb bags
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Edited by punkrocker292004 (02/27/10 08:44 PM)
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Randomstickynote



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Yeah, that's about right. More verm though.
This is the general recipe I formed to start with: Vermiculite (8 cups per bag) Brown Rice Flour OR Rice Bran (4 cups per bag) Rye Berries, Milo, WBS or Rye Grass seed (2 cups per bag) Coffee grounds (1 cup per bag) Gypsum (1 cup per bag) Worm Castings (1 cup per bag) Flax Seed meal (4 tbsp per bag) Soybean Oil (2 tbsp per bag)
Thing is I always just eyeballed it, didn't ever measure, so it wasn't exactly that, and I usually ended up putting more rye berrries than I planned, same thing with a couple other ingredients. I say more verm though because considering everything in the recipe (especially if you hydrate the verm with coffee water) the myc has more than enough food, it just needs plenty of water to put out plenty of fruitbodies.
Also, I'm not sure if it's even 2% soybean oil, I usually just use about 2 tablespoons mixed into the water I hydrate the verm with. I also used less flax seed meal because, first off it's sort of expensive compared to other ingredients, and also because it adds oil, and though a bit of oil is good to add lipids, I didn't want to overdo it.
Recipe doesn't have to be exact, all of this might be overkill, and you can probably get away with just verm, BRF and gypsum, or something completely different like coir coffee and verm, I just did PF cake recipe because I always noticed my cakes would still be hard and spongy and bright white after 3 flushes, but coir and manure substrates started to turn brown-ish, fall apart, etc. after just a couple flushes.
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punkrocker292004
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thanks man im gonna save this and get started as soon as i get the 200 bux to start this
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bought three bags knocked em up wit three different syringes.
Got nothin, Zip Zero NADA
not even myc
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Re: mad season bags invitro [Re: Apostle]
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Hologram said: bought three bags knocked em up wit three different syringes.
Got nothin, Zip Zero NADA
not even myc 
did you buy rye bags
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