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Poid
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"By the grace of God!"
#12110025 - 02/27/10 07:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.newser.com/article/d9e47jo80/police-man-suspected-in-gunbattle-that-killed-california-deputy-preferred-death-to-prison.html
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The California man who authorities say killed one law enforcement officer and wounded two others in a gun fight at his mobile home was a paranoid private security guard who kept a gun collection and told his wife he would rather die than go to prison.
Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer identified Rick "Ricky" Ray Liles, 51, on Friday as the shooter and said he had been taking medication for depression and likely took his own life with a gunshot to his head during the Thursday shootout.
"He made a statement that he would not go to prison. Before going, he would take the lives of several officers before taking his own life," Dyer said.
Public records and accounts by officials portray Liles as a loner who came to the attention of Fresno County authorities who were investigating shots fired and a string of arson blazes in the village of Minkler on the highway to Kings Canyon National Park.
Liles was named in a search warrant involving the shed fires and gunshots that was being served just before the melee erupted.
Diane Liles, the gunman's wife, survived the gunbattle in which as many as 400 rounds were fired at the trailer by up to 25 deputies. Dyer said only the "grace of God" kept any bullets from hitting her as she laid on the bedroom floor of the single-wide trailer.
If she got killed in the crossfire, would that have been by the "Grace of God" as well? Did the "Grace of God" kill the officer who was shot by the suspect?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: "By the grace of God!" [Re: Poid]
#12110059 - 02/27/10 07:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep and yep.
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Re: "By the grace of God!" [Re: deCypher]
#12110070 - 02/27/10 07:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wonder if "He" left the decision to either spare or kill that lady to the flip of a coin...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: "By the grace of God!" [Re: Poid]
#12110089 - 02/27/10 07:42 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rick "Ricky" Ray "Raymundo" Liles "Lilly", 51, had a wall full of books on death anxiety.
Just sayin'...
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OrgoneConclusion said: Rick "Ricky" Ray "Raymundo" Liles "Lilly", 51.
Who is that?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: "By the grace of God!" [Re: Poid]
#12110111 - 02/27/10 07:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's like that lady who drove off a bridge on black ice into a frigid river with her family. The were saved by the Grace of God, but who the fuck set the trap in the first place?
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Re: "By the grace of God!" [Re: Poid]
#12110120 - 02/27/10 07:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poid said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Rick "Ricky" Ray "Raymundo" Liles "Lilly", 51.
Who is that?
The dude in your article.
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Poid
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OrgoneConclusion said: The were saved by the Grace of God, but who the fuck set the trap in the first place?
Who else but "FrauGod"?
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Poid said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Rick "Ricky" Ray "Raymundo" Liles "Lilly", 51.
Who is that?
The dude in your article.
Oh, 'tarded me...
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Re: "By the grace of God!" [Re: Poid]
#12110994 - 02/27/10 11:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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-------------------- "It's that in me there is no sorcery, there is no anger, there are no lies. Because I don't have garbage, I don't have dust. The sickness comes out if the sick vomit. They vomit the sickness. They vomit because the mushrooms want them to. If the sick don't vomit, I vomit. I vomit for them and in that way the malady is expelled. The mushrooms have power because they are the flesh of God. And those that believe are healed. Those that do not believe are not healed."(Maria Sabina) "Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres." (Albert Einstein)
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Re: "By the grace of God!" [Re: Poid]
#12111916 - 02/28/10 07:33 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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The idea is that man doesn't deserve anything from God, so any goodness in a situation is only by the "grace of God".
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fivepointer said: The idea is that man doesn't deserve anything from God, so any goodness in a situation is only by the "grace of God".
Man deserves to enjoy the fruit of his own labor.
It is wrong when it is taken from him.
It is wrong (in a different way) when it is handed to him.
Notice that government is guilty of both theft (through inflation & taxation) and welfare.
When you work for something you appreciate it's value.
Truly, that sense of accomplishment man feels when he succeeds in his actions must be something he has in common with God.
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Re: "By the grace of God!" [Re: Mr.Al]
#12111972 - 02/28/10 07:55 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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fivepointer said: The idea is that man doesn't deserve anything from God, so any goodness in a situation is only by the "grace of God".
Truly, that sense of accomplishment man feels when he succeeds in his actions must be something he has in common with God.
"Sense of accomplishment" in acquiring material possessions sounds like worship of the creation and not the Creator - therefore it is ungodly.
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fivepointer said: The idea is that man doesn't deserve anything from God, so any goodness in a situation is only by the "grace of God".
Truly, that sense of accomplishment man feels when he succeeds in his actions must be something he has in common with God.
"Sense of accomplishment" in acquiring material possessions sounds like worship of the creation and not the Creator - therefore it is ungodly.
There is nothing holy in poverty. If you are a productive individual then you can support the life (human and otherwise) around you.
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fivepointer said: The idea is that man doesn't deserve anything from God, so any goodness in a situation is only by the "grace of God".
Brilliant.
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fivepointer said: The idea is that man doesn't deserve anything from God, so any goodness in a situation is only by the "grace of God".
Brilliant.
We were given the tools we needed: an intelligent mind, hands that are made for work, a conscience that distinguishes between right and wrong, and freedom to decide for ourselves.
I think that is what it means, "being made in God's image"...
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Re: "By the grace of God!" [Re: Mr.Al]
#12112068 - 02/28/10 08:41 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have no idea what you just said.
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Individuals value something they had to strive for more than things that are merely handed to them.
A "sense of entitlement" is not healthy.
We don't deserve handouts from God or government.
We do deserve the fruit of our labor, that which we have worked for and made our own.
Edited by Mr.Al (02/28/10 09:09 AM)
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Re: "By the grace of God!" [Re: Mr.Al]
#12112177 - 02/28/10 09:16 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mr.Al said: Individuals value something they had to strive for more than things that are merely handed to them.
A "sense of entitlement" is not healthy.
We don't deserve handouts from God or government.
We do deserve the fruit of our labor, that which we have worked for and made our own.
It sounds like you are saying man deserves justice. Isn't this an "entitlement"? Man deserves nothing, so if justice is given it is by the grace of God, not because he deserves it.
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I deserve everything.
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Mr.Al said: Individuals value something they had to strive for more than things that are merely handed to them.
A "sense of entitlement" is not healthy.
We don't deserve handouts from God or government.
We do deserve the fruit of our labor, that which we have worked for and made our own.
It sounds like you are saying man deserves justice. Isn't this an "entitlement"? Man deserves nothing, so if justice is given it is by the grace of God, not because he deserves it.
A man gets the fruit of his labor, essentially reaps what he sows, in a free market economy. God doesn't mess with the economy. I do recall in Revelations God counseled us to "Buy Ye Gold!". My definition of entitlement is social welfare...
Edited by Mr.Al (02/28/10 09:23 AM)
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