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Offlinethe bizzle
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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: laserpig] * 1
    #12092426 - 02/24/10 10:53 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

lol nobody has any suggestions on what to do?

I guess we're just here to place the blame :lol:


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InvisibleDeadHearts


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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: the bizzle]
    #12092436 - 02/24/10 10:56 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

the bizzle said:
lol nobody has any suggestions on what to do?

I guess we're just here to place the blame :lol:




Thats right. Gotta stay on topic :lol:

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Offlinelaserpig
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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: the bizzle]
    #12092466 - 02/24/10 11:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

the bizzle said:
lol nobody has any suggestions on what to do?

I guess we're just here to place the blame :lol:



it's insane because the blame is on us as much as or probably more than it is on anyone else
(think about it, who is more responsible, the person who's indoctrinated and does what they believe is right, or the person who knows what is wrong but does not repair it?)
and yet as far as i know, really none of us has the slightest goddamn clue how to do anything about it

people are materialistic, accept orders and suggestions from authority, believe that the status of abstract entities like "nations" have some concrete reflection on their personal lives, etcetera etcetera etcetera -- how the fuck can any of that be changed?
best answer i can think of is "art" but jesus dude i ain't an artist i don't know how to open anyone's mind


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InvisibleShins
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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: the bizzle]
    #12092531 - 02/24/10 11:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

the bizzle said:
lol nobody has any suggestions on what to do?

I guess we're just here to place the blame :lol:




When all else fails....



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

You don't have the balls.


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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: Shins]
    #12092633 - 02/24/10 11:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

If everyone who hated the government resorted to that
The problem really would be solved

And truly
We don't have the balls



:madhamster:


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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: Mind Transcribing] * 2
    #12092651 - 02/24/10 11:31 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

the government is a manifestation of the mass psyche
destroy the current government without changing the mass psyche, and things are only likely to get worse

"no problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness which created it"


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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: laserpig]
    #12092676 - 02/24/10 11:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

laserpig said:
the government is a manifestation of the mass psyche
destroy the current government without changing the mass psyche, and things are only likely to get worse

"no problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness which created it"




:thumbup: Lets give the man a plus one :0
I think I started this shit lol.

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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12092692 - 02/24/10 11:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Just look at the french revolution, failures I say!

However, if our consciousness can remain one which "don't take no shit"
We surely will have evolved

or live under a dictatorship :shrug:


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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: laserpig]
    #12092711 - 02/24/10 11:40 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

"the government is a manifestation of the mass psyche"

i disagree.

Are you implying that democracy actually works?  or that the USA is truly democratic? or that public opinion is not controlled or influenced? and so on...

Destroying the government would dramatically change mass psyche. 

I totally agree with you otherwise though.  Ultimately, Hearts and minds must be won,  And all efforts to do so in a way that actually effectively changes government should be exhausted before violent revolt. 

But even winning hearts and minds may not be enough to overthrow a really corrupt government.

People 200 years ago had so much more of a backbone to stand up for liberty and freedom,  sadly i feel that these beliefs are dying out to willing subservience among the people as long as they are kept "safe."


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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: Shins]
    #12092721 - 02/24/10 11:43 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

this is not a functioning democracy, but people accept what we have

if it were destroyed, people would only recreate the same kind of system

the problem they'd perceive would only be "our government went away, we need to build it again"
that is totally different from perceiving the problem of "this government is horrible and needs to be replaced"


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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: laserpig]
    #12092743 - 02/24/10 11:47 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I agree...

:shakefist:

I guess perceptions must be changed then...  Control of mass media would be a good place to start.

^ Why i like the internet,  it's free and open.

Edited by Shins (02/24/10 11:49 PM)

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Re: Who's more to blame- the SheepLe or the GovrnmnT? [Re: Shins]
    #12092953 - 02/25/10 12:38 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Shins said:
I agree...

:shakefist:

I guess perceptions must be changed then...  Control of mass media would be a good place to start.

^ Why i like the internet,  it's free and open.




How about NO mass media??

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