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OfflineArcofaJourney
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Re: explaining tripping to concerned loved ones/family members etc. [Re: yageman]
    #7187665 - 07/17/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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yageman said:
If someone has never used psychedelics before and actually wants to talk about it, I usually keep it short and sweet.
With *some people, I know that my efforts to speak about it are somewhat useless, so I basically say, "you just have no idea".

With the right person though, I could literally talk for hours about the scope of the psychedelic experience.
Thats how I treat people who are interested, naturally trippy, and are very attentive.

Nerdy or analytical types take a strong liking to my way of thinking and talking about hallucinogens.

I have met some very serious folks in my time who would have never tried lsd if I had not convinced them that it can show you incredible things.
Such smart folks listen to me and respect people in general.
They were attentive, and then learned something.
Something that allowed them to want to try psychedelic drugs.

Part of their logic usually was, "well if this guy is so fucking smart and speaks in these ways, then why should I not see something I have never seen before".

I wish my ability to speak and argue with some some very smart but straight edge types, had less to do with their opinion about drugs in general. My personality and ability to speak is a big part of it though.

When talking to people like that in depth, I never fail to mention that psychedelics, and mostly lsd contributed to how well I speak.
Some people would be surprized about how much psychedelics have helped me organize my thoughts into a collection of intertwined ideas that somehow just slip off of my tongue in a very eloquent way.




i can relate to that. i definitely credit my psychedelic experiences with giving me direction and organizing my thoughts. People close to me that are aware of my psychedelic forays note the change to me all the time. In high school i was a complete straight edge, a terrible flunking student, and scared of the world. After graduation i luckily discovered psychedelics and found my passions and focused my life around them, returned to college and graduated with a 4.0. Most of the anti-drug propaganda out there proclaims that the opposite should have occurred. It's fun to get other people to break away from their fears over psychedelics and try some for themselves. However, as was stated in other post, you must be very careful in who you choose to bring into your world.


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Re: explaining tripping to concerned loved ones/family members etc. [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #7187859 - 07/17/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Personally I've never explained to family, but to friends unfamiliar with any drug use who are skeptical, I basically lay it out like this, the stuff I do regularly is natural, or 80% natural, and for centuries people have taken them, and they're persecuted. Yet 27 million Americans take anti-depressants and don't question them, when they alter the mind more than any psychadelic. No one questions pills given to them by a doctor, or vitamins. Most of the stuff I've taken is also non-addictive, and if they argue "WELL IT COULD BE" well...so can food, there are plenty of obese people addicted to food, and caffeine is another legal drug people rely on as a crutch, half of my friend's parents can't function in the real world without their grande latte enema or maybe their scotch. But yeah, the key is to remain calm when explaining it, avoid getting too riled up or cursing and getting mad, that just waters down the point you're trying to get across. And remember...people who have a set predisposition on drugs with no scientific or medical standpoint and only a moral one, often can't be swayed...people just are NOT logical in this day and age.


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Re: explaining tripping to concerned loved ones/family members etc. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7188051 - 07/17/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I honestly believe psychedelics have made me a better person over my time using them.

Before Mushrooms (First time I think was at age 16) I was going in and out of depression, not able to really cope with my life because it was so bad. I was curious about drugs, especially mushrooms because a very potent variety is very common around here, so I took them a few times and they changed everything. I don't know how to explain, its been so long, but I'll have hold magic mushrooms in the highest regards, there is something very powerful about them.


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Re: explaining tripping to concerned loved ones/family members etc. [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #7188125 - 07/17/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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ClammyJoe said:
I honestly believe psychedelics have made me a better person over my time using them.

Before Mushrooms (First time I think was at age 16) I was going in and out of depression, not able to really cope with my life because it was so bad. I was curious about drugs, especially mushrooms because a very potent variety is very common around here, so I took them a few times and they changed everything. I don't know how to explain, its been so long, but I'll have hold magic mushrooms in the highest regards, there is something very powerful about them.



I feel the same way... they changed me greatly, and for the best. minor changes in the way i act that my friends notice, and major changes in my thoughts that only i notice.


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Re: explaining tripping to concerned loved ones/family members etc. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7188134 - 07/17/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
the quest of psychedelic trippers, is different than the quest of coke users or heroin addicts.
psychs are not addictive.
psychs are not more pleasurable than painful.
psychs do provide a kind of "escape" however, which is where the bad rap comes from, that and of course the whole thing about responsibility and operating machinery.

yet the escape that psychedelics provide are not an escape in the true sense, rather than getting away from life, psychedelics bring it more forward in your consciousness, you do not escape your self, your condition or your memory.

psychedelic users are interested in life, mind, people, and often in spiritual questions.

that last part also alienates people who have their own flavor of spiritual commitment - and usually they would like to ram it down your throat.

the whole idea of people using chemistry to get a leg up on congitive freedom (that is teh escape, thinking in new and different ways) is repugnant to most people unless they are already touched by something like poetry art or madness.




exactly.

they're for fun. if i feel shitty i quit using drugs and start to eat extremely healthy and exercise.


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Re: explaining tripping to concerned loved ones/family members etc. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7188674 - 07/17/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

you are your own person and what you do with your life is your decision, no one elses. tell them you are grateful for their concern. if you are not going to change your ways then you should also make this clear to them.
you should ask for their trust in you and insist that this drug will not lead to addictiveness and other drugs such as heroin. explain as honestly as you can and with the reasons why you take mushrooms.
if your parents do not agree or understand then only time will affect their understanding of the effects of tripping. if you are a strong person and have a great and successful life then surely in time they will see that tripping in moderation is not a bad thing.

good luck.


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Re: explaining tripping to concerned loved ones/family members etc. [Re: yageman]
    #7188717 - 07/17/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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yageman said:
If someone has never used psychedelics before and actually wants to talk about it, I usually keep it short and sweet.
With *some people, I know that my efforts to speak about it are somewhat useless, so I basically say, "you just have no idea".

With the right person though, I could literally talk for hours about the scope of the psychedelic experience.
Thats how I treat people who are interested, naturally trippy, and are very attentive.

Nerdy or analytical types take a strong liking to my way of thinking and talking about hallucinogens.

I have met some very serious folks in my time who would have never tried lsd if I had not convinced them that it can show you incredible things.
Such smart folks listen to me and respect people in general.
They were attentive, and then learned something.
Something that allowed them to want to try psychedelic drugs.

Part of their logic usually was, "well if this guy is so fucking smart and speaks in these ways, then why should I not see something I have never seen before".

I wish my ability to speak and argue with some some very smart but straight edge types, had less to do with their opinion about drugs in general. My personality and ability to speak is a big part of it though.

When talking to people like that in depth, I never fail to mention that psychedelics, and mostly lsd contributed to how well I speak.
Some people would be surprized about how much psychedelics have helped me organize my thoughts into a collection of intertwined ideas that somehow just slip off of my tongue in a very eloquent way.




excellent post. i love to share my opinion about the advantages of using psychedelics but i will not explain this to anybody. as you say some people do not have the intelligence or rather open mindedness to understand your reasoning,
in relation to this topic i feel this is fundamental to your answer. older generations will, most of the time, refuse to even comprehend any reasoning as to the beneficial use of drugs such as psychedelics because of the way it had been drilled into their mind from a young age.
as i said in my previous post, if you will not change your ways then all you can do is ask for their trust and tell them you love them no matter what they think.


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Re: explaining tripping to concerned loved ones/family members etc. [Re: danno859]
    #12089608 - 02/24/10 03:16 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

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danno859 said:
for centuries people have taken them, 




Centuries? Millennia. Anyhow.

The fact is, OP, no matter how much you try to make someone understand, they just won't if they already think it's evil. It's hard and obviously many people here can relate.

Personally my mother is well aware of that-which-grows in a room in the house, has asked why I take it, what would happen if she did, and what it "gets me" when I do. What the point is and so on. She's pretty open minded but hallucinogens just weren't something she had good reference for except during the 60s with good old 'cid and that some of her friends did it (but not her-she swears)

She's becom more understanding through patient, candid discussion. I would only hope you would be so lucky but it doesn't seem that way from what you've indicated.
The ex-gf also seems to think such sad things as well, telling you how "wrong" you are. Not so, at all. You do what is good for you.
Do you feel better? Is it addicting? Impacting your life negatively or positively? I'm pretty sure we all know the answers.

Do what is right for you, and no one else.
I take the "flesh of the gods" because it makes me feel more connected to everything, more in wonder of all humanity is, all of the world and the universe, and how incredible it is to just "be". It's a good "mind broom", to clean out whatever thought dust I have, to do some mental housekeeping and keep the 'ol grey matter nice and in tune, as it were.


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Re: explaining tripping to concerned loved ones/family members etc. [Re: KinichAhau]
    #12090371 - 02/24/10 05:20 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

tell them the truth... that mushrooms allow your mind body and spirit the ability to vibrate at the Earth's frequency, that tripping is really moving closer to true sanity.... in fact telling them this would only make matters worse... nm


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Re: explaining tripping to concerned loved ones/family members etc. [Re: roboto212]
    #12090705 - 02/24/10 06:07 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

I totally get what you're telling the OP, but unfortunately I agree, it doesn't seem like they'll become more understanding by saying that.

:sad:


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