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Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it?
    #12079322 - 02/22/10 06:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Hi everyone. I know this post may not be entirely on topic, but in the past when I have had legal issues, I have experienced great feedback and support from the people of this forum.

Yesterday I received a package in the mail (shipped to me). When I opened it, it turned out to be a brand new vaporizer. I am familiar with the company that makes this vaporizer and have ordered a few parts from them in the past, but that's it. I did not order this particular vaporizer. Inside, there is an order form that says a certain "Sarah Wilson" paid for the vaporizer and it was apparently supposed to be shipped to her.

My question is legally am I allowed to keep the vaporizer? I don't have one and could really use one. I know that if a company sends me something in the mail by mistake (for example they thought I ordered an item), then I am legally entitled to keep the item so long as the company intended for me specifically to receive the item. Legally, the package is treated as a gift.

That is where I think this situation is a bit different in that upon opening the package (which I feel legally I was clearly entitled to do since on the outside it was addressed to me) I realized it was not meant for me after all. Do I have the right to keep it? I am thinking about calling up the company and just saying that I received it by accident and plan on keeping it since it was the company's mistake to ship it to me.

How could they have made an error in shipping? One explanation is like I mentioned above, I have in the past ordered from this company, so they have my address on file, so it's plausible they somehow sent it to me.

Another thing I could do is keep the package and just not call the company. Eventually, the real recipient, after having not received the package in a long time, would call the company and complain. They would then probably be able to track the package and realize they had mistakenly sent it to me. I am considering not using the product for a month or two just to make sure nothing like this happens. If the company does tell me to return the product, I can do so in its original state without having used it, so I wouldn't be in any legal trouble I suppose.

Any ideas on what to do? Thanks.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12079344 - 02/22/10 06:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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titusxii said:
Any ideas on what to do?




I'm appalled you even need to ask.

Don't be a crook. Do the right thing and send it back. It was clearly a mistake.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12079425 - 02/22/10 07:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I understand it was a mistake. Mistakes are costly. As long as the original buyer gets her vaporizer, I don't feel very guilty since it's the company's fault for sending it to me instead of her. Honestly, the easiest thing for me to do would be just to send it back, which I am probably going to do anyway since I enjoy this company's products and want to stay on good terms with them. As far as the legal aspect is concerned, however, what are the correct terms of this situation? It would be useful to know for similar situations that occur in the future.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12079434 - 02/22/10 07:12 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I doubt you would face any legal liabilities if you were to keep the item.
personally i would keep it.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii] * 1
    #12079543 - 02/22/10 07:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i would give it to sarah wilson

you do have her addy on the purchase order, right?  or a phonebook handy?  surely she must be in your town if they flubbed the addy.

and hopefully she will smoke you out

or better yet

suck you off

:awesome:

its the right thing to do!  dont be a fucking thief.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12079898 - 02/22/10 08:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Legally, it's yours, but do the right thing and send it along to the intended recipient.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #12079997 - 02/22/10 08:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

yea, id go straight to her in person and give it too her to be honest. i guarentee she smokes you up! :yesnod:


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
    #12080050 - 02/22/10 08:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Give it to her, btw, GetTheFuckOut's comment about her sucking you off might actually happen...also, Karma might come back and haunt you if you dont give it to her.  It's always hard to make the decision, but surely if you do good, it shall be returned to you as well.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: LivioDoubleFang]
    #12080083 - 02/22/10 08:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

a true shaman would keep the vaporizer. But when he keeps it the company is just gonna resend to her correct address. In a win win situation both parties karma is in equilibrium.

The only party that loses is the company, and they are part of the new world order.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: 2859558484]
    #12081183 - 02/22/10 11:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
    #12081266 - 02/23/10 12:20 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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GetTheFuckOut said:
or better yet

suck you off

:awesome:

its the right thing to do!  dont be a fucking thief.




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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12081311 - 02/23/10 12:28 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
Legally, it's yours...




How do you figure?

I think you are obliged to return it, but not on your own dime.  The company needs to pay you to ship it back.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: DieCommie]
    #12081394 - 02/23/10 12:53 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Nope, I've read of a similar case a while back. If a package arrives unsoliticed at your house via the USPS, it's yours and you are under no legal obligation to return it. But they may have changed the law by now. It's been a while.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #12081403 - 02/23/10 12:56 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I vote take it to her house and see where it goes from there.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #12081656 - 02/23/10 03:21 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ToiletDuk said:
Legally, it's yours, but do the right thing and send it along to the intended recipient.




Nonsense. Why people believe that wives tale is a mystery to me.

If a company deliberately sends you something you didn't order, that's one thing. Notice the word "deliberately"?

However:
"The mistaken delivery of property to an individual who realizes the
mistake and simultaneously forms the intent to steal the property at
the moment of receipt constitutes larceny at common law. W. LaFave &
A. Scott, 2 Substantive Criminal Law § 8.2(g) at 342-43 (1986).
Furthermore, where the individual does not realize the mistake at the
time of receipt but realizes it later and then forms the requisite
intent, there is a larceny as well."
http://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/opinions/1996Term/96-1167.htm

There are many similar state laws as well:

TITLE LXII
CRIMINAL CODE
CHAPTER 637
THEFT
Section 637:3
    637:3 Theft by Unauthorized Taking or Transfer. –
    I. A person commits theft if he obtains or exercises unauthorized control over the property of another with a purpose to deprive him thereof.
    II. As used in this section and RSA 637:4 and 5, ""obtain or exercise unauthorized control'' includes but is not necessarily limited to conduct heretofore defined or known as common law larceny by trespassory taking, larceny by conversion, larceny by bailee, and embezzlement.

Source. 1971, 518:1, eff. Nov. 1, 1973.

It's sad people believe they have the right to keep something in this situation. It's even sadder they don't do the right thing and send it back.

It was a mistake for fucks sake.

You are under no obligation to pay for shipping, but you need to let the company know.


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Edited by luvdemshrooms (02/23/10 03:29 AM)

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12081722 - 02/23/10 04:30 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Let me clarify the situation. I made it simpler above, but in reality it is a bit more complicated. I'm studying in college and this year I'm studying abroad and am currently not in the United States. The package arrived to my dorm address in the U.S. and hence to everyone suggesting I get in touch with the girl and even meet up with her so she can smoke me out among other things, that's not really possible since I'm abroad. Also, since I haven't seen her address, I don't know if she lives close to me or far away. I did a search for her at my college and on facebook and nothing came up. I have friends who could get in touch with her and even return the package themselves or mail it to the original recipient. I'm probably just going to get my friends to pick up the package and keep it at their place. They're not going to open it until I come back to the U.S. in the summertime. Or we might just return it to the company, still undecided...

I don't believe I have the right to keep the package. I just want to understand the legality of the issue.

Here is the link I was reading about: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode39/usc_sec_39_00003009----000-.html

Edited by titusxii (02/23/10 04:43 AM)

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12081855 - 02/23/10 06:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

The link doesn't apply.

The merchandise came to you by mistake. It wasn't mailed to you as a gift or a free sample. Nor was it mailed to you with the intention of getting you to pay for it.

Don't be an ass. Send it back. Not this summer. It should go now. All one of your friends needs to do is write "return to sender" on the box and leave it at the post office.

Do the right thing. It's sad you ever thought of doing otherwise.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12081866 - 02/23/10 06:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't post here to be morally criticized. Like I said, I am most likely going to return the package since it sounds like it's not legal for me to keep it. It's just really strange that I have been wanting this vaporizer for a while, and then it happens to be mailed to me. This is one of those "lucky" situations that I don't expect to happen for at least another 10 years.

Realistically, however, what are the chances that the company would try to press charges against me if I kept the package? Rather than pursue legal matters, I think they would first try to contact me by phone to see if I accidentally received the package. More likely though I think the original recipient would just say she never received her vaporizer and get a new one. I wonder if since the business this company operates in is a bit shady / underground in itself would cause the company to avoid pursuing any legal results to just work with me and the intended recipient directly.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12081874 - 02/23/10 06:47 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

just keep it bro, weed is cheap and bitchs are free, but vaporizers cost a couple bucks :vaped:

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12081888 - 02/23/10 07:01 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

If you didn't want to be morally criticized, you should have sent (or had sent) the package back as soon as you realized what happened.

I mean really dude, what the fuck?

Had the package arrived unsolicited with an invoice inside, I'd laugh my ass off at the company who sent it and would encourage you to keep it. You'd be well within your rights to do so.

There should be no doubt in your mind what the right thing to do is. It's a shame you even have to think about it.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12081896 - 02/23/10 07:05 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

/chant keep it keep it keep it!  you know your going to /endchant

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12081905 - 02/23/10 07:09 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
The link doesn't apply.

The merchandise came to you by mistake. It wasn't mailed to you as a gift or a free sample. Nor was it mailed to you with the intention of getting you to pay for it.

Don't be an ass. Send it back. Not this summer. It should go now. All one of your friends needs to do is write "return to sender" on the box and leave it at the post office.

Do the right thing. It's sad you ever thought of doing otherwise.



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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12081917 - 02/23/10 07:16 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

titusxii said:
Yesterday I received a package in the mail (shipped to me). When I opened it, it turned out to be a brand new vaporizer.




Quote:

titusxii said:
Let me clarify the situation. I made it simpler above, but in reality it is a bit more complicated. I'm studying in college and this year I'm studying abroad and am currently not in the United States. The package arrived to my dorm address in the U.S. and hence to everyone suggesting I get in touch with the girl and even meet up with her so she can smoke me out among other things, that's not really possible since I'm abroad.




If you are abroad, and the package is in the US..... how did you (as stated in your first post) open it?


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Edited by luvdemshrooms (02/23/10 07:29 AM)

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12081984 - 02/23/10 08:00 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

ToiletDuk said:
Legally, it's yours, but do the right thing and send it along to the intended recipient.




Nonsense. Why people believe that wives tale is a mystery to me.

If a company deliberately sends you something you didn't order, that's one thing. Notice the word "deliberately"?

However:
"The mistaken delivery of property to an individual who realizes the
mistake and simultaneously forms the intent to steal the property at
the moment of receipt constitutes larceny at common law. W. LaFave &
A. Scott, 2 Substantive Criminal Law § 8.2(g) at 342-43 (1986).
Furthermore, where the individual does not realize the mistake at the
time of receipt but realizes it later and then forms the requisite
intent, there is a larceny as well."
http://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/opinions/1996Term/96-1167.htm

There are many similar state laws as well:

TITLE LXII
CRIMINAL CODE
CHAPTER 637
THEFT
Section 637:3
    637:3 Theft by Unauthorized Taking or Transfer. –
    I. A person commits theft if he obtains or exercises unauthorized control over the property of another with a purpose to deprive him thereof.
    II. As used in this section and RSA 637:4 and 5, ""obtain or exercise unauthorized control'' includes but is not necessarily limited to conduct heretofore defined or known as common law larceny by trespassory taking, larceny by conversion, larceny by bailee, and embezzlement.

Source. 1971, 518:1, eff. Nov. 1, 1973.

It's sad people believe they have the right to keep something in this situation. It's even sadder they don't do the right thing and send it back.

It was a mistake for fucks sake.

You are under no obligation to pay for shipping, but you need to let the company know.




I stand corrected then.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #12082030 - 02/23/10 08:16 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

This is titusxii. I never opened the package. I had my college friend pick it up from our dorm's mail room since he is on campus and I'm abroad. My friend has the package now.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: kylesmith]
    #12082036 - 02/23/10 08:17 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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titusxii said:
When I opened it




Quote:

kylesmith said:
This is titusxii. I never opened the package.




1. Direct Contradiction
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ythan, you rock dude.  i feel that my time at the shroomery was very positive and enjoyable, but this site is no longer for me. im not mad or upset or disappointed, i just want no part in a pg rated faggot festival.
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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: kylesmith]
    #12082092 - 02/23/10 08:39 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not a puppet on purpose. I just haven't posted on this site in months and forgot my username, which didn't show up even when I did an email search. It's not a direct contradiction. I clarified that the situation I posed in my first post was simplified and that since I am out of the country, I have not opened the package myself but had a friend do it.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12083145 - 02/23/10 12:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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titusxii said:
Yesterday I received a package in the mail (shipped to me). When I opened it, it turned out to be a brand new vaporizer.




You forgot your password in the space of a little over an hour?

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Aser]
    #12083374 - 02/23/10 01:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

'No, my "titusxii account was banned a little while ago for being a puppet (does this mean two usernames using the same email?). When banned, they told me what my old username was, so now I'm using it instead. Aser, what is your opinion on my situation? What would you do in my shoes?

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: kylesmith]
    #12083613 - 02/23/10 02:06 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I probably wouldn't have told everybody about it in the first place. It also depends on how good of a vaporizer it is.

If it was a really nice one and I had received good service from the company in the past I would probably return it or at least contact the company and ask them what to do about it.

If it was a cheaper one or the company had been jerks to me in the past, I might consider keeping it.

I guess it would come down to my viewing of the company that sent it. If I hated them, I would keep it. If I enjoyed their service and prices I would report it to them and see where it went from there.

Who knows? They might let you keep it or send you something in return or give you a discount on something.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
    #12083701 - 02/23/10 02:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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When I opened it




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This is titusxii. I never opened the package.




1. Direct Contradiction
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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12086211 - 02/23/10 10:05 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ethically? No!

Legally? No! Your name isn't Sarah Wilson and you cannot open mail not addressed to you.

Do the right thing and track her down. I'm sure you can get some weed out of it.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
    #12086415 - 02/23/10 10:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Ethically? No!

Legally? No! Your name isn't Sarah Wilson and you cannot open mail not addressed to you.

Do the right thing and track her down. I'm sure you can get some weed out of it.




He said it was addressed to him. The receipt just had a different name one it.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Aser]
    #12087252 - 02/24/10 05:01 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Aser is correct. The package was addressed to me. It was only upon opening the package that I realized it was intended to be delivered to a different person. Plus I'm out of the country. Even if I was in the U.S. and could track her down, I'm not sure if I would want to. Sure I would have her meet me so that I could give her the package, but that's about it. Sounds a little sketchy to do anything more than that with a stranger (unless she is a total babe...)

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: kylesmith]
    #12087565 - 02/24/10 08:19 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

its just weed, lol.  and you aren't a total stranger anymore once you have a chit chat and get stoned.  children these days :rolleyes:


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: GetTheFuckOut]
    #12087617 - 02/24/10 08:41 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Once I ordered an expensive essential oil diffuser for about $130.  They accidentally shipped me two.

I thought I have no need for two, perhaps if I send it back they'll give me a free accessory or something.  The only free thing I got was the postage to send it back.  Not even a 10% discount on their shit.

Keep it.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12100377 - 02/26/10 07:21 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Contact the company and explain the situation. See what solution they come up with.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Asante]
    #12127122 - 03/02/10 11:30 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

What did you finally decide to do?

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Aser]
    #12127387 - 03/02/10 12:21 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'm surprised so many people are telling you to send it back.  It's not your job to be their shipping department or handle their mistakes.

Contact the company and tell them what happened.  Tell them you're a busy man and if they want to make an appointment to pick it up in person you'll be happy to do so as long as they compensate you for your time.

It's pretty doubtfull that they'll show up in person to pick up the package.  If they want you to mail it back tell them you're too busy to be their packing boy.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: fastfred]
    #12136853 - 03/03/10 06:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Well I'm abroad so I haven't done anything yet, been too busy with school to contact the company. I'm surprised as well that so many people told me to send it back. It's especially a pain for me to return it since I'm abroad and therefore have to get my friends to do it, which I don't want to do since it takes up their time... In any case, the package is with my friends now. It's unopened and so still obviously returnable in case something comes up.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: kylesmith]
    #12139737 - 03/04/10 01:35 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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titusxii said:
When I opened it, it turned out to be a brand new vaporizer.




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It's unopened and so still obviously returnable in case something comes up.




You really should get your story straight. Not saying that you are... but if you are going to lie, at least lie good.

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When I opened it




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This is titusxii. I never opened the package.




1. Direct Contradiction
2. Puppet



:facepalm:




Also ^^^ that...

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Aser]
    #12141403 - 03/04/10 11:46 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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You really should get your story straight. Not saying that you are... but if you are going to lie, at least lie good.




Maybe you should quit being a dumbass and confusing yourself by taking pronouns out of context and looking all retarded.

Even a 4th grader usually knows that standard packing involves packaging items (which are already packaged in their own box) inside another box for shipping.

Obviously if he says he "opened the package", found a vaporizer, and later says "it's unopened" you should understand what's going on.

Next time just ask for help if you don't understand what you're reading.  Some people are just naturally slow, and it's nothing to be ashamed of.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12141476 - 03/04/10 12:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

The real crime is the mark up on those things, it was addressed to you so error or no it's yours legally, plus the intended recipient will obviously still get their item purchased.  It may even be a ploy on the companies part to get some tax write offs, tis the season.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Enlightenedwon]
    #12142887 - 03/04/10 03:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

As has already been pointed out, it's only his if the company shipped it to him and attempted to bill him.

Shipping errors are not the same thing. If he keeps it, it is theft pure and simple.

You wanna-be lawyers crack me up.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12148019 - 03/05/10 11:39 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Wrong he has the right to keep it, it may be illegal for him to interfere with them trying to retrieve their merchandise, but I doubt they will even attempt.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Enlightenedwon]
    #12149365 - 03/05/10 03:30 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Wrong he has the right to keep it, it may be illegal for him to interfere with them trying to retrieve their merchandise, but I doubt they will even attempt.




Evidence has been provided in this thread that he may not. Can you refute it?

As "because I said so" doesn't cut it, please provide links.

Edit: Here's more......

Q. What should I do if the unordered merchandise I received was the result of an honest shipping error?

A. Write the seller and offer to return the merchandise, provided the seller pays for postage and handling. Give the seller a specific and reasonable amount of time (say 30 days) to pick up the merchandise or arrange to have it returned at no expense to you. Tell the seller that you reserve the right to keep the merchandise or dispose of it after the specified time has passed.

For fucks sake people, it's clear the company didn't send him unsolicited merchandise. It was billed to someone else and ACCIDENTALLY shipped to him. There is a world of difference between the two.

I weep for those who can't see the difference. What a sad society we have become where a topic like this is even discussed when the right thing to do is clear.

You clearly need a different user name as "Enlightened" you are not.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12150057 - 03/05/10 05:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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You really should get your story straight. Not saying that you are... but if you are going to lie, at least lie good.




Maybe you should quit being a dumbass and confusing yourself by taking pronouns out of context and looking all retarded.

Even a 4th grader usually knows that standard packing involves packaging items (which are already packaged in their own box) inside another box for shipping.

Obviously if he says he "opened the package", found a vaporizer, and later says "it's unopened" you should understand what's going on.

Next time just ask for help if you don't understand what you're reading.  Some people are just naturally slow, and it's nothing to be ashamed of.




Maybe, should have... it's all the same. I didn't. Asking for him to get his story straight was me asking for help understanding, so I'm sorry Mr(s). Anonymous that you feel that I'm slow. I'm sorry for hindering you higher levels of thinking.

:thumbup: You learned to post anonymously, so you don't actually have to put any thought into your posts.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12152991 - 03/06/10 10:11 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ok so the right the to do by society is to return the merchandise, I get it.  Unfortunately for your argument morals, values, and laws are not all universal.  I feel bad for people who think they have to follow every little rule set in place by other men.  Let's face it neither of us really know the chain of events circumventing the circumstance, you obviously have your beliefs and there's no point in convincing someone so stuck in certain ways.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: titusxii]
    #12153070 - 03/06/10 10:30 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I would contact the company, explain you received a package that was not something you ordered.  If they offer to compensate you for sending it back, do so.  Many times, to keep everyone happy a company may decide it is just better to correct their mistake by refilling the original order and letting you keep the "mistake".  However with more costly items, they may be more inclined to pay for the shipping to have it returned.  If the item has already been opened and unpacked, they may not be able to resend the item to someone else (hence, let you keep it and ship a different one to the original orderer)  I would play the high card on this one and keep everything above the table.  Keeping an item ill-gained will only give you bad vibes every time you use it.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Enlightenedwon]
    #12153337 - 03/06/10 11:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Ok so the right the to do by society is to return the merchandise, I get it.  Unfortunately for your argument morals, values, and laws are not all universal.  I feel bad for people who think they have to follow every little rule set in place by other men.  Let's face it neither of us really know the chain of events circumventing the circumstance, you obviously have your beliefs and there's no point in convincing someone so stuck in certain ways.




Morals are only subjective to those who lack them.

The right thing to do..... is the right thing to do.

How sad you don't see that.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12153527 - 03/06/10 12:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

How many people actually live by those morals and who defines(d) them?  "Doing the right thing" then becomes subjective to space & time, as you feel some sort of obligation.  Do people honestly believe that by being morally proper, they become less subjected to cause & effect?  I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that is an incorrect assumption.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Enlightenedwon]
    #12153770 - 03/06/10 01:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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How many people actually live by those morals and who defines(d) them?  "Doing the right thing" then becomes subjective to space & time, as you feel some sort of obligation.  Do people honestly believe that by being morally proper, they become less subjected to cause & effect?  I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that is an incorrect assumption.




Not enough live by them but that doesn't change right from wrong. What personal morals you follow as affecting only you, are one thing. That ends when you cross the line of right and wrong as it affects others.

Those who do not see that are those I have no wish to associate with in my day to day life. They are not the type of people who are of much value to society. Those that have them, are. It's really that simple.

Feel free to get the final word as you are not the type of person I wish to waste time on. Your user name is a joke.


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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12154363 - 03/06/10 02:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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How many people actually live by those morals and who defines(d) them?  "Doing the right thing" then becomes subjective to space & time, as you feel some sort of obligation.  Do people honestly believe that by being morally proper, they become less subjected to cause & effect?  I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that is an incorrect assumption.




Not enough live by them but that doesn't change right from wrong. What personal morals you follow as affecting only you, are one thing. That ends when you cross the line of right and wrong as it affects others. 

Those who do not see that are those I have no wish to associate with in my day to day life. They are not the type of people who are of much value to society. Those that have them, are. It's really that simple.

Feel free to get the final word as you are not the type of person I wish to waste time on. Your user name is a joke.




You're views are dogmatic, you're one of those people nobody can tell anything to because they think they know everything, you have all the answers huh?  I would ask you to tell me something I don't know but I bet it would be filled with your indoctrinated opinions & agenda.

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Re: Accidentally received a package in the mail, can I keep it? [Re: Enlightenedwon]
    #12157323 - 03/07/10 02:07 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Don't mind luvdemshrooms.  The guy is actually using his sig to cry like a baby about a zero rating.  That should tell you a bit about how much his opinion should matter to you.

If he promised to put my name in his sig I'd give him a zero just to watch him cry.

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    #12157628 - 03/07/10 06:38 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't mind luvdemshrooms.  The guy is actually using his sig to cry like a baby about a zero rating.  That should tell you a bit about how much his opinion should matter to you.

If he promised to put my name in his sig I'd give him a zero just to watch him cry.




If you think that's why it's there I weep for you more than I weep for the no moral crooks in this thread.

Since you didn't have the stones to post using your own user name, it's not hard to dismiss your opinion.

Have fun with it anyway.


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