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OfflineGoBlue!
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If there IS a God, does he DO anything???
    #1207738 - 01/10/03 07:07 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

For those who believe in some form of God, does he DO anything on earth??? Or does he just sit back and watch now that everything is in motion???

Edit: In other words, is prayer a waste of time???


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1207749 - 01/10/03 07:13 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Well ask yourself, that question. What do you do, these days. Do you do anything?

If you can't see the irony here, its that your the god of your destiny, and YOU can do anything.



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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1207800 - 01/10/03 07:36 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I think that if there is any "God", we must be a part of It... So, yes, "he" does stuff on Earth, because that's what we do!

Prayer is based on if you believe it or not. If you don't believe it, it won't work. Basically it is a psyche-out type thing, I think. If you psyche yourself up enough, you can do things you normally couldn't do.


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1207812 - 01/10/03 07:45 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

He kills people through earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanoes, aids, cancers, hemmoragic (sp?) fever, etc. He creates 'human' life like Jeffery Dahlmer, Adolph Hitler, Jack the Ripper, Idi Amin, Richard Ramirez and Rosey O'Donnel. He makes innocent children be born into families where incest, beatings and infanticide occur. Oh, and he loves all of us like a gentle father.


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: Evolving]
    #1207824 - 01/10/03 07:52 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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OfflineGoBlue!
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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: Evolving]
    #1207827 - 01/10/03 07:53 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I must be one sick bastard, because I laughed pretty hard at your reply!    :grin: 


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: Adamist]
    #1207840 - 01/10/03 08:02 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Prayer is based on if you believe it or not. If you don't believe it, it won't work. Basically it is a psyche-out type thing, I think. If you psyche yourself up enough, you can do things you normally couldn't do.




Hmmm. Kind of like the placebo we talked about in the "Proof that faith is a crock?" thread???

For those of you that didn't see that thread. Adamist posted the question "If a placebo works, does it make the effects any less real?" No one has answered that question yet!?!


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1208213 - 01/10/03 11:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

"If a placebo works, does it make the effects any less real?"
I smell a pragmatism vs. idealism debate in the works.

Let me snuff that with this: IF IF IF IF IF IF IF

Show me THAT it works (a holistic view please), and then I'll give you a more qualified answer. Sometimes a practical answer can't be arrived at through thought experiments alone. I think this is one of those times.


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1208430 - 01/11/03 05:33 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm, to scientifically validate a placebo effect.... Hasn't that already been done?


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: Adamist]
    #1208477 - 01/11/03 06:35 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm, to scientifically validate a placebo effect.... Hasn't that already been done?

Yeah, there has been some research. The pharmaceutic industry was not very happy with that, but if I remember it correctly, it has been shown that even the most successful medicament in the world, namely Aspirin, relies on 60% placebo effect. The most interesting result of placebo research was the influence of colours: A blue sugar pill may cure your headache, but a pink sugar pill will give you hallucinations!  :laugh:   


Edited by Nomad (01/11/03 06:37 AM)


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1208623 - 01/11/03 07:49 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Remember, you are God

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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: Evolving]
    #1208653 - 01/11/03 07:58 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

"I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." -Isaiah 45:6-7 KJV

"I am the LORD, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring proserity and create disaster; I the LORD do all these things." -Isaiah 45:6-7 NIV

Yes, that's right, all of existence in all of its majesty and horror, regardless of the perspective of the perishable human ego, emanates from GOD. This is It. This is Reality. You might as well complain because you always wanted skies to be green instead of blue. Change the being that you are into the kind of being you would want to meet on the road through life. Or not.


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1208735 - 01/11/03 08:46 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

It all comes down to the power of the mind, they are thing we are capable of that are almost unimagative. But it is like trying to wake from a dream once you have done it there is no point in dreaming why control reality when reality dosent exist.

But if you think bad things will happen to you they will, if you think good things happen to you they will, its just not getting caught up in it all. Especially if you reach a god state. :wink:  I know its not a simple as that because of karma, but karma is still a part of your mind that is trying to show us the signs.


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1208784 - 01/11/03 09:15 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I sometimes sit around and do nothing. Sometimes I get up and do things too.

God doesn't control those random things that happen. Nature does it, but nature is without contiousness.


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: Murex]
    #1208823 - 01/11/03 09:34 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

But nature is what binds us to the earth, whilst we are in a diluded state.
But nature can be controlled. It like imagine conciouss thourght as being a ripple on the water, what we are trying to do is to stop that ripple. Trying to controll thing we creat more ripples but if we try and riding the diffrent ripples that have already been created. We can sorta like jump from one to the next whilst not trying to controll things but alter things slightly in a positive way to help people.


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: EvilGir]
    #1208852 - 01/11/03 09:46 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I don't get it.  :confused:

P.S.: Work on your spelling and grammar.  :wink:


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: Adamist]
    #1208873 - 01/11/03 09:52 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

"Prayer is based on if you believe it or not. If you don't believe it, it won't work."

I can't agree with that. No way. You can't just pray for anything at all and as long as you believe it it will be fulfilled.... I was raised catholic and although I no longer believe in God, I used to. Praying only "works" when you happen to pray for something thats already going to happen, in my opinion.


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1208963 - 01/11/03 10:29 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I think that is close to how it works - one prays for something that is going to happen. Under the aspect of Eternity (Sub Specie Aeternitatus), all of time, past-present-future, already exists. Desiring what will be, or what is, is to be 'of one will with the Father,' as the Bible puts it. Willing something that will be, is to be One with God's will, but it is also one's own will. One can see the precognitive element in such prayer - the future has occurred to one in the present, in the form of a desire. Prayer is never a matter of bending God's will to the desires of man. God is not a genie (jinn) who grants wishes. Prayer life, even in it's lower levels (as petitionary prayer), is thus still an attempt to become One with God.


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1208968 - 01/11/03 10:31 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I am sorry I am trying to type stuff in an altered state but here is the edit

What we call nature is what binds us to the earth in our physical(biological) way.
But nature can be controlled , It like imagine conscious thought as being a ripple on the water, trying to controll things we create more ripples. 

But if we recognise the diffrent ripples that we have already caused  (karma) then we can almost see karma.  This means that you can see your own mind testting your self to show us the way to enlighment. Because we dont realy exist honest  :grin: and this world is basicle just like the  matrix.

Your own mind can create oppatunities to apper that you can either abuse them or not and be honest.  But in the end you know the concequences of your actions will all ways come back to you.

We can sorta like alter reality in a way that if we where in the wrong we would be locked up. I am not saying its possible to walk through wall or anything because once you have reached that level you will be that enlighmend that it wouldnt even matter any more.

here is an example is of my a dream I had last night :

I sent of for some magicle pix herb from a land far away(china) :wink: and the evil oppressors opend up my magik herb intransit and let it through. Even though they new it was weird and strange white powders but still legal!!! just. without questioning it or even sampleing it and with the paranoia of such things how could this be done.


But other may of experienced the same things why?


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Re: If there IS a God, does he DO anything??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1208978 - 01/11/03 10:35 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

20 dollars appeared in my wallet completly out of the blue.. within a 5 minute stretch when i was all alone..  that was just after i found some acid

God wants me to do acid i swear :wink:

 


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