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Do i need hydrated lime?
    #12061805 - 02/19/10 07:15 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Do i need hydrated lime if i am using a coir/coffee/worm casting/gypsum mix. All i have is crushed oyster shells and i wanted to do this tonight.

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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Mushymush420]
    #12061825 - 02/19/10 07:19 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

nah your ph will be fine without it.  do it up:thumbup:


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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: MOPE]
    #12061870 - 02/19/10 07:26 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Hydrated lime is only needed with peat. You're good.


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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Doc_T]
    #12061891 - 02/19/10 07:32 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry to jack the thread, but can it actually hurt to put a bit of lime in that mix? It helps to fight contams, RR uses it when pasteurizing straw, so could it be beneficial to use in coir?
But as far as ph goes, coir/coffee mix is not too acidic, gypsum will stabilize it enough.

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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: MOPE]
    #12061897 - 02/19/10 07:34 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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nah your ph will be fine without it.  do it up:thumbup:




Do you think i should add my gypsum while i am expanding my brick or when i mix everything together?

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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Tangich]
    #12061914 - 02/19/10 07:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Sorry to jack the thread, but can it actually hurt to put a bit of lime in that mix? It helps to fight contams, RR uses it when pasteurizing straw, so could it be beneficial to use in coir?




Interesting question. I think you'd have to be really careful with the pH.


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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Doc_T]
    #12061921 - 02/19/10 07:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Hydrated lime is only needed with peat. You're good.




Hydrated lime is for instantly changing the ph. Oyster shells is for buffering it over a short period of time? Is this correct? I know oyster shells have calcium in them because i use them to help with blossom end rot on my tomatoes. Usually takes a little for it to break down into the soil.

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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Mushymush420]
    #12061930 - 02/19/10 07:41 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think crushed oyster shell will break down quickly enough to do much of anything.
Fine oyster shell flour might, but even then I don't think you'll have enough time to see a benefit.


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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Doc_T]
    #12061963 - 02/19/10 07:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think crushed oyster shell will break down quickly enough to do much of anything.
Fine oyster shell flour might, but even then I don't think you'll have enough time to see a benefit.




Oh i see. I think the meat thermometer i bought is broken. What does 175 degree water look like on a stove?

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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Mushymush420]
    #12062202 - 02/19/10 08:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You can't pasteurize without a thermometer.


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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Doc_T]
    #12062235 - 02/19/10 08:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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You can't pasteurize without a thermometer.




I had another one. I just filled up the bucket with 175 degree water. Gonna let sit for 2 hours and then drain in my tub. Should i clean the tub with running alcohol and spray my bathroom with lysol? I checked my cakes that i placed in a FC fruiting chamber 3 days ago and i already have some pins!

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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Mushymush420]
    #12062251 - 02/19/10 08:38 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Should i clean the tub with running alcohol and spray my bathroom with lysol?




Soap and water is fine for the tub.
Lysol is a surface sanitizer, and not an air sanitizer- it does little for you in the air.


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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Doc_T]
    #12062281 - 02/19/10 08:41 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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You can't pasteurize without a thermometer.




I always used one at first, but then i started just boiling water, turning it off, and throwing a pillowcase full of substrate in there overnight with the lid on the pot. I never noticed a difference between this and closely monitoring the temp.

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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: buggers]
    #12062306 - 02/19/10 08:45 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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You can't pasteurize without a thermometer.




I always used one at first, but then i started just boiling water, turning it off, and throwing a pillowcase full of substrate in there overnight with the lid on the pot. I never noticed a difference between this and closely monitoring the temp.




Water boils at 212 F not 175. Do you actually boil your water? The mushrooms in your pic look like a wild strain i collected a few years back in virginia called blue footed psilocybin

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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Mushymush420]
    #12062339 - 02/19/10 08:50 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I heat the water until it just starts to boil then turn the pot off then throw the stuff i'm pasteurizing in there. Its 212 for a little while but it cools off pretty fast. Like I said... never noticed a difference between this and the other way.

BTW we call them blue foots here too : )

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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: buggers]
    #12062389 - 02/19/10 08:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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I heat the water until it just starts to boil then turn the pot off then throw the stuff i'm pasteurizing in there. Its 212 for a little while but it cools off pretty fast. Like I said... never noticed a difference between this and the other way.

BTW we call them blue foots here too : )




Dude! Do you grow those yourself or pick them in the wild. If you have any spores of those I would kill to have some. I love those guys. There was one year where they grew all along the rivers. Ever since i have had no luck finding them.

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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Mushymush420]
    #12062396 - 02/19/10 09:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Edit- Wrong thread, sorry.


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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Doc_T]
    #12062409 - 02/19/10 09:02 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Edit- Wrong thread, sorry.





What do you mean? Should we be talking about this in another thread?

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Re: Do i need hydrated lime? [Re: Mushymush420]
    #12062429 - 02/19/10 09:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yea they grow along a lot of the streams here. I took some prints and tried growing them a long time ago. no luck though. Stopped taking prints because its so much easier to just go pick them in the spring than it is to grow them myself :blush: Check again at the same spots you found them before... IME if you found them once you'll find them again if you get there when they're up.  Late spring before it gets really hot/dry would be your best bet.  I think the formal name is Psilocybe Caerulipes but i could be wrong. They're definately active though!

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