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    #12014006 - 02/12/10 03:30 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

well, the subject hits the nail on the head pretty much. i have 11 jars, and i made 8 with homemade brf and verm, 1 part brf to 2 parts verm. and i also made 3 with 1 part rye flour, 2 parts verm. i dont have a pc, but i have a large pot, so i boiled them, 5 at a time; 3 brf and 2 rye flour, then 4 brf and the last rye jar, then the last jar, all for 2 1/2 hours each batch, until the temp in one jar from each batch was 205F. i also marked the 2 jars i temped, so if they get contammed, i know why. but, i opened them in a still air box, and the air in the room had the shit sprayed out of it with oust, and all surfaces were sprayed/wiped with alcohol multiple times. i also re-boiled these 2 jars with the last one, just to be safe. so far, i think ive been somewhat sterile. i guess my question is, is 205F hot enough for rye flour? also, i didnt open the rye jars
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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: sicknesslives]
    #12014059 - 02/12/10 03:58 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

you should be fine i would think


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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: truskool]
    #12014310 - 02/12/10 06:49 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Define what you mean when you say "temped".  I'm not familiar with this term.  Why did you open them?  You should have just inoculated them, but I suppose if you boiled them again, it should be ok.  As long as things were sterile, rye flour can be treated the same way as brf.

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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: libertaire]
    #12018169 - 02/12/10 07:40 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

by "temped", i meant i checked the temperature. thanks for the help guys.... i innoc'ed 8 of the jars tonight, and made 3 lc's with baby food jars. i used 1 cc of honey to 100 cc's of distilled water.


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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: sicknesslives]
    #12018385 - 02/12/10 08:31 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i thought i read awhile back that rye cakes cant be properly sterilized with stem sterilize but I'm prolly wrong


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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: tripdawg420]
    #12023932 - 02/13/10 08:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

People have done a plethora of brf alternatives with steam sterilization with the same success rate as brf, including rye flour.  Don't have the threads to back it up, but I'm sure if you search, you'll find them.

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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: libertaire]
    #12024342 - 02/13/10 09:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I asked this question a while back and some members (maybe RR can't remember) said that rye had different endospores on it than rice and you would need to PC them rather than simply use the steam sterilization method. Also, I think it has less nutes than rice. Otherwise it's fine enough.


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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12024704 - 02/13/10 10:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ive done rye flour pf jars before and boiling/steam sterilizing them does work, did get decent yields but can't remember which one fruited better BRF or rye flour.

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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: jc9134]
    #12024757 - 02/13/10 10:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Rye has different endospores that can live at higher temps then the ones in rice. So no.


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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: jc9134]
    #12024759 - 02/13/10 10:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

For cakes I would just stick with BRF it already is over nutritional

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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: Shea25]
    #12025621 - 02/14/10 03:06 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

well, the problem is, i cant find a coffee grinder for less than $100, at least thats what my gf said. i got this black and decker thing, its a food processor, i guess. its got 2 blades that spin and chop up the food or whatever. but, the only way it will cut up the rice is if i soak it in very hot water for like 20-30 minutes. it works somewhat decent then, but its still kind of chunky. the reason i was interested in rye flour is its sold at foodland, for like, $3 a lb. its convenient, mostly. none of my jars are showing any sign of contams, but the flour/verm mix feels very weird, like it doesnt have enough moisture. i made the brf by soaking, proccessing, then mixing in the verm and water until it had a paste like texture. the rye, i mixed 1 part flour, 2 parts verm, and 1 part water. they're not so bad, but i dont see how the myc can penetrate the brf cakes, they're hard as a rock.


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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: sicknesslives]
    #12028686 - 02/14/10 04:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

you should be able to find a decent coffee grinder at walmart or another department store for about 15-20 bucks. look by the coffee makers...

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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: sicknesslives]
    #12029578 - 02/14/10 06:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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well, the problem is, i cant find a coffee grinder for less than $100, at least thats what my gf said. i got this black and decker thing, its a food processor, i guess. its got 2 blades that spin and chop up the food or whatever. but, the only way it will cut up the rice is if i soak it in very hot water for like 20-30 minutes. it works somewhat decent then, but its still kind of chunky. the reason i was interested in rye flour is its sold at foodland, for like, $3 a lb. its convenient, mostly. none of my jars are showing any sign of contams, but the flour/verm mix feels very weird, like it doesnt have enough moisture. i made the brf by soaking, proccessing, then mixing in the verm and water until it had a paste like texture. the rye, i mixed 1 part flour, 2 parts verm, and 1 part water. they're not so bad, but i dont see how the myc can penetrate the brf cakes, they're hard as a rock.





Well you said they aren't showing any signs of contams.  Does that mean that the jars are being colonized alright?  You'd be surprised the thickness of what mycelium can penetrate.  If they can penetrate vermiculite, they can penetrate whole grain rice.  Either way though, whatever you use will likely work as long as you properly sterilize it.

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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: libertaire]
    #12056212 - 02/18/10 07:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

u should use a blender anyway. I got mine at a local recycle center for a buck or 2.


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Re: rye flour in PF TEK [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12056235 - 02/18/10 07:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i find coffee grinder work wayyy better then blenders. there not to expensive either

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