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Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups
    #12048762 - 02/17/10 05:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

There are so many different teks and opinions about cultivating P.C., some of them even contradict each other.

After reading some of the different teks out there I came up with my own set-up. I'm going to test 3 different ways of cultivation. Comments and advice are more then welcomed. The PF tek will be used for the colonization of cakes. The cakes will be kept a consent temperature of 80-81 degrees during colonization by the use of a water heating and tub

1. Casing and having the casing container itself be the fruiting chamber
2. Casing with a separate fruiting chamber
3. Placing cakes directly in fruiting chamber

1. -After 100% colonization 3 cakes will be cleaned under running water, then dunked in water for 24 hours. The temperature of the water being in the 50's and 60's
-They will then be rinsed and thrown into ziplock bag to be broken down into nickel sized pieces
-The container used for the casing/fruiting will be ~12 inches high with the bottom few inches being non transparent. After sterilizing, a 1 inch layer of moist perlite will be added evenly to the container. Next the cake substrate, again evenly. And finally a 1/2 inch sterilized moist casing layer will be added evenly. The casing will be 40% peat moss, 40% vermiculite, 15% oyster shells and 5% calcium carbonate
-The container will then be covered just above the casing for 3 days until the mycelium starts popping out. Those spots will be covered with more casing for even growth.
-A cover will now be placed on top of the container and it will be fanned 3-8 times a day and mist as needed. Humidity will try to be kept at 82% -92% and temperature between 75-79

2. -After 100% colonization 3 cakes will be cleaned under running water, then dunked in water for 24 hours. The temperature of the water being in the 50's and 60's
-They will then be rinsed and thrown into ziplock bag to be broken down into nickel sized pieces
-The casing tray will be 4-5 inches high. After sterilizing, a clean 1" layer of moist vermiculite will be added, then the casing, then a layer of clean moist casing material.
-The tray will then be covered for 3 days until the mycelium starts popping out. Those spots will be covered with more casing for even growth.
-It will then be placed inside the fruiting chamber. The fruiting chamber will have hole drilled in it every few inches. There will be a moist layer of perlite, 4-5 inches high.
- It will be fanned 3-8 times a day and srayed with a mist as needed. Again humidity will try to be kept at 82% -92% and temperature between 75-79

3. -After 100% colonization 4 cakes will be cleaned under running water, then dunked in water for 24 hours. The temperature of the water being in the 50's and 60's
-Then the cakes will be rolled in dry vermiculite and placed in the same fruiting chamber as casing number 2,
-it will be sprayed with a mist until the vermiculite is near saturation
-Temperature, fanning, misting and humidity will all, of course, be the same as #2

Let me know what you guys think! :smile:

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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: smokey1445]
    #12048922 - 02/17/10 05:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You need to do some more research

option 1 issue: its not called a casing first off. and if you crumble your cake and mix it with your sub you really shouldnt use perlite. perlite is used for keeping humidity levels high in fc. after you mixed that up you would need to wait for it to colonize 100% before placing it in a fc. i dont know what cover your talking about using but your fc needs to have room for the shrooms to grow.

well your first 2 options are basically the same things except your just crumbling the cakes and adding a casing layer. which you then would only wait for it to colonize about 30% then place in the fc.

I suggest just using a shotgun fc, after your cakes are 100% colonized give them a week for consilation. then dunk in water for 24 hrs, roll in verm and place in shotgun fc.


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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12049167 - 02/17/10 06:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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You need to do some more research

option 1 issue: its not called a casing first off. and if you crumble your cake and mix it with your sub you really shouldnt use perlite. perlite is used for keeping humidity levels high in fc. after you mixed that up you would need to wait for it to colonize 100% before placing it in a fc. i dont know what cover your talking about using but your fc needs to have room for the shrooms to grow.

well your first 2 options are basically the same things except your just crumbling the cakes and adding a casing layer. which you then would only wait for it to colonize about 30% then place in the fc.

I suggest just using a shotgun fc, after your cakes are 100% colonized give them a week for consilation. then dunk in water for 24 hrs, roll in verm and place in shotgun fc.




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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12050840 - 02/17/10 10:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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TacoHerder said:
You need to do some more research

option 1 issue: its not called a casing first off. and if you crumble your cake and mix it with your sub you really shouldnt use perlite. perlite is used for keeping humidity levels high in fc. after you mixed that up you would need to wait for it to colonize 100% before placing it in a fc. i dont know what cover your talking about using but your fc needs to have room for the shrooms to grow.

well your first 2 options are basically the same things except your just crumbling the cakes and adding a casing layer. which you then would only wait for it to colonize about 30% then place in the fc.

I suggest just using a shotgun fc, after your cakes are 100% colonized give them a week for consilation. then dunk in water for 24 hrs, roll in verm and place in shotgun fc.




http://www.shroomery.org/5225/Does-a-casing-require-a-fruiting-chamber
http://www.shroomery.org/54/50-50-Casing-Tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3290155
http://www.shroomery.org/53/Apprentice-Casing-Tek
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Iplayerhd-bugs

Read and watch these, then re-read my post. I think we're misunderstand some things

Hmm, shotgun FC?

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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: smokey1445]
    #12050978 - 02/17/10 10:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

so whats the point of those links? i already know all that. what info are you telling me in not correct on?


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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12051035 - 02/17/10 10:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

you know the more i read it your first 2 options are really the same thing, only difference is what your placing them in. i did read your first option wrong and thought you were going to mix the sub with the casing. what fc do you plan on using. you cant just apply a casing layer and leave the trays just sitting out. They need 99% humidity and plenty of fae. like i said, you need to do some more research. exspecially since you dont know what a shotgun fc is, even though you gave me the link on your last post..


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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12051273 - 02/17/10 11:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

This is what I meant by Option 1

"Using the casing container itself as a fruiting chamber:

This has the advantage of a much larger casing area, since any large bin, itself, can be cased. There is also no need for any external means of humidification -- no perlite is needed because the humidity simply comes from the casing, itself. The casings are much larger, and are isolated from one another in separate bins. The casing container should be large enough so the fully-grown mushrooms won't hit the top (not a big deal, but it can't be a good thing) -- usually a 12" deep bin is fine. This bin is cased end-to-end, and then it's covered with saran wrap, and the casing is allowed to colonize at fruiting temperatures."

This is what I meant by option 2

"Creating a separate fruiting chamber:

This has the advantage of housing several separate small casings which increases the chances of success. There are a lot of ways to create a separate fruiting chamber -- it's just a large bin that is humidified. You can use a thick layer of wet perlite at the bottom of a covered plastic bin, or you can use an external humidification device, such as a cool mist humidifier or a fish tank bubbler to humidify your bin. (see ShroomGod's Humidifier Tek ) As long as your casings are in this humidified container, the casing should not dry out with proper misting."

Its in the link I posted, I'm guessing you didn't read it?
I'm sorry I don't know the term "shotgun". Dont be an a**

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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: smokey1445]
    #12051302 - 02/17/10 11:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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This is what I meant by Option 1

"Using the casing container itself as a fruiting chamber:

This has the advantage of a much larger casing area, since any large bin, itself, can be cased. There is also no need for any external means of humidification -- no perlite is needed because the humidity simply comes from the casing, itself. The casings are much larger, and are isolated from one another in separate bins. The casing container should be large enough so the fully-grown mushrooms won't hit the top (not a big deal, but it can't be a good thing) -- usually a 12" deep bin is fine. This bin is cased end-to-end, and then it's covered with saran wrap, and the casing is allowed to colonize at fruiting temperatures."

This is what I meant by option 2

"Creating a separate fruiting chamber:

This has the advantage of housing several separate small casings which increases the chances of success. There are a lot of ways to create a separate fruiting chamber -- it's just a large bin that is humidified. You can use a thick layer of wet perlite at the bottom of a covered plastic bin, or you can use an external humidification device, such as a cool mist humidifier or a fish tank bubbler to humidify your bin. (see ShroomGod's Humidifier Tek ) As long as your casings are in this humidified container, the casing should not dry out with proper misting."

Its in the link I posted, I'm guessing you didn't read it?
I'm sorry I don't know the term "shotgun". Dont be an a**





so what you are kinda describing on the first option would be kinda like a mono tub... please stop saying casing. a casing is a non-nutritous layer you add to your substrate to keep help hold in humidity and moisture. what you are decribing will need holes in it for fae. you will need to fill these holes with a filter such as polyfil. check out the link in my sig. it has a crap load of notes you should read, along with up to date teks with pictures..


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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: smokey1445]
    #12051303 - 02/17/10 11:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

smokey1445 said:
This is what I meant by Option 1

"Using the casing container itself as a fruiting chamber:

This has the advantage of a much larger casing area, since any large bin, itself, can be cased. There is also no need for any external means of humidification -- no perlite is needed because the humidity simply comes from the casing, itself. The casings are much larger, and are isolated from one another in separate bins. The casing container should be large enough so the fully-grown mushrooms won't hit the top (not a big deal, but it can't be a good thing) -- usually a 12" deep bin is fine. This bin is cased end-to-end, and then it's covered with saran wrap, and the casing is allowed to colonize at fruiting temperatures."

This is what I meant by option 2

"Creating a separate fruiting chamber:

This has the advantage of housing several separate small casings which increases the chances of success. There are a lot of ways to create a separate fruiting chamber -- it's just a large bin that is humidified. You can use a thick layer of wet perlite at the bottom of a covered plastic bin, or you can use an external humidification device, such as a cool mist humidifier or a fish tank bubbler to humidify your bin. (see ShroomGod's Humidifier Tek ) As long as your casings are in this humidified container, the casing should not dry out with proper misting."

Its in the link I posted, I'm guessing you didn't read it?
I'm sorry I don't know the term "shotgun". Dont be an a**





thats a monotub. i really like them.

And you dont need a casing layer for humidity. Moisture evaporating from your substrate is plenty to humidifiy a monotub.

this site has been around for a long time. theres outdated info all over the place.#


If yoiur using perlite as your humidification, then make a shotgon fruiting chamber.

www.mushroomvideos.com

lots of good info there.


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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12051332 - 02/17/10 11:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

So your second option is simply crushing the cakes, placing them in a container and casing them. then after they are 30% colonized you are going to place in a fc? This will work, but really wont give you anymore mushrooms and will give you more room for contams to kick in then say the easiest option you had. which was #3. to find out what a shotgun fc is watch these vids... http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Iplayerhd-bugs


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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12051341 - 02/17/10 11:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If i were you i would watch the vids in that link. build a simple shotgun fc. dunk and roll your cakes after consilation, then place them in fc. mist and fan regularly and you should be fine.


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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12051430 - 02/18/10 12:02 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

sorry I'll stop using the word casing.

So I guess what I was describing was the monotub and shotgun? Thanks for the advice and information, I'll check out the links. Theres a ton of outdated info here.

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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: smokey1445]
    #12053553 - 02/18/10 12:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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If i were you i would watch the vids in that link. build a simple shotgun fc. dunk and roll your cakes after consilation, then place them in fc. mist and fan regularly and you should be fine.



Alright, shotgun it is! I'll replicate the videos and text. Any more tips? It wasn't mentioned but it seemed like the holes were drilled every 2-4 inches?

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Re: Opinions, comments, advice on my experiment Set-ups [Re: smokey1445]
    #12055262 - 02/18/10 04:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

TacoHerder said:
If i were you i would watch the vids in that link. build a simple shotgun fc. dunk and roll your cakes after consilation, then place them in fc. mist and fan regularly and you should be fine.



Alright, shotgun it is! I'll replicate the videos and text. Any more tips? It wasn't mentioned but it seemed like the holes were drilled every 2-4 inches?




pretty much ya. just remember to mist and fan as much aspossible. mist first then fan.  After the first flush just take the cakes and dunk them in water for atleast 12 hours. this will keep the cake from drying out. if there is any pins on it will still be ok to dunk them.


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