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Smartweed
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2nd Grow Suggestions?
#12053785 - 02/18/10 12:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am about to begin my 2nd grow and I will be using the PF Tek. I will be using Penis Envy Cubensis spores.
I already made 12 jars and pressure cooked them and they are ready for inoculation and sitting in my PC.
On my first grow I did not use any tape on the holes during PC or incubation and had good results. I didn't have tape or foil over my jars during incubation/
Is the use of Micropore tape really needed?
Also is 1cc overkill for a 1/2 pint jar? Is 1/2 CC per jar more than enough?
Finally what would be a good bulk substrate to spawn a couple jars to a tray to practice on?
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: Smartweed]
#12053846 - 02/18/10 12:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Use 1cc per half pint jar.
The tape is needed, it allows FAE to occur; without letting in contams.
I would spawn to 50/50 coir and verm. Maybe a spoonful of gypsum or two.
Edited by MagicJames (02/18/10 12:58 PM)
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: MagicJames]
#12053849 - 02/18/10 12:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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MagicJames said: Use 1cc per half pint jar.
The tape is needed, it allows FAE to occur.
I would spawn to 50/50 coir and verm. Maybe a spoonful of gypsum or two.

FAE?
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: Smartweed]
#12053859 - 02/18/10 12:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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FAE = fresh air exchange*
oops
Edited by MagicJames (02/18/10 07:40 PM)
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Smartweed
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: MagicJames]
#12053869 - 02/18/10 12:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well the FAE will happen with or without the tapes and the jars already have a verm layer to keep contam out what is the use of the tape?
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: MagicJames]
#12053881 - 02/18/10 01:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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MagicJames said: FAE = fruiting air exchange
Fresh air exchange... the tape on the jars allow GE = gas exchange... fae is what you get in your fc.. if you have a verm layer you dont need the tape.. the purpose of both the tape or verm layer is to allow gas exchange while also serving as a barrier for other microbes..
Edited by evildee125 (02/18/10 01:04 PM)
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: evildee125]
#12053918 - 02/18/10 01:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Will it really make that much of a difference to use the tape?
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: evildee125]
#12053923 - 02/18/10 01:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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LoL this thread is funny
FAE = Fresh Air exchange as already stated and it is not needed till you start to fruit your cakes.
I put foil over all my jars while they are in the PC or in boiling water that way you don't get extra water into the jars, but once you inject them with spores there is no need for the foil or tape because the dry verm layer is there for protection, also the foil over the lid makes it so the DRY verm layer stays DRY.
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: Smartweed]
#12053931 - 02/18/10 01:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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no.. they both serve the same purpose.. ur plenty good with a verm layer.. i use micropore tape for grain jars..
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: Damion5050]
#12053946 - 02/18/10 01:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damion5050 said: LoL this thread is funny
FAE = Fresh Air exchange as already stated and it is not needed till you start to fruit your cakes.
I put foil over all my jars while they are in the PC or in boiling water that way you don't get extra water into the jars, but once you inject them with spores there is no need for the foil or tape because the dry verm layer is there for protection, also the foil over the lid makes it so the DRY verm layer stays DRY.
I know that the foil over the jars is so it stays dry during PC... I had a bad experience getting water inside my jars the first time around. Im asking of the tape because alot of people seem to be using it but I didn't the first time I grew and had no issues.
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: Damion5050]
#12053956 - 02/18/10 01:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah the dry verm layer works...But it never hurts to be careful I know a lot of people that get contams that only use the verm layer.
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: Smartweed]
#12053964 - 02/18/10 01:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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No as already stated if the dry verm layer is there no need for it or anything else over the jars after it is pressure cooked.
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: Jiggle]
#12053972 - 02/18/10 01:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jiggle said: Yeah the dry verm layer works...But it never hurts to be careful I know a lot of people that get contams that only use the verm layer.
Yes but was the source of contamination due to the fact of the holes being uncovered or something else? My money is on something else.
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: Jiggle]
#12053977 - 02/18/10 01:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jiggle said: Yeah the dry verm layer works...But it never hurts to be careful I know a lot of people that get contams that only use the verm layer.
The reason for the contams is not the verm layer then. It would either come from not preparing the cakes right in the PC or boiling them long enough, or not being careful when injecting them with spores.. It is not the dry verm layers fault.
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: Damion5050]
#12053995 - 02/18/10 01:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damion5050 said:
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Jiggle said: Yeah the dry verm layer works...But it never hurts to be careful I know a lot of people that get contams that only use the verm layer.
The reason for the contams is not the verm layer then. It would either come from not preparing the cakes right in the PC or boiling them long enough, or not being careful when injecting them with spores.. It is not the dry verm layers fault.
Exactly what I thought.
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: Smartweed]
#12054006 - 02/18/10 01:17 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Also could be a bad syringe.. Cause not every syringe is perfect..
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Re: 2nd Grow Suggestions? [Re: Damion5050]
#12054115 - 02/18/10 01:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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as long as you dont fuck with your jars ( tipping,etc.) all u need is the dry verm layer. i think rogerrabit puts tape on his jars in the vids though. I dont cuz its a pain to get off on the next go round.
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