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BRF TEK ingredients needed
    #12046276 - 02/17/10 11:10 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

So Im a first time grower and have never used. Im looking to do the BRF TEK becuase I heard its easiest and its yeild is good enough for me and a few others. SO im looking for a list of stuff I need to get at the store and online. How much of what do I need? Im going to do one grow then if i like it then im going to do several more. thanks

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046290 - 02/17/10 11:11 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Read some teks, I don't think anyone is going to make you a shopping list.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046292 - 02/17/10 11:12 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

sounds like you maybe just got into this and havnt done much research yet... watch these videos http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: MOPE]
    #12046320 - 02/17/10 11:17 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yah im straight up a newbie... I know i need brown rice flour, vermiculite, 1/2 pint wide mouth jars, spores, water, Pressure Cooker, aluminum foil... Ive been watching some videos but ill look at more

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046329 - 02/17/10 11:20 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Yah im straight up a newbie... I know i need brown rice flour, vermiculite, 1/2 pint wide mouth jars, spores, water, Pressure Cooker, aluminum foil... Ive been watching some videos but ill look at more




have you ever watched the pf tek vids a mushroomvideos (the lik I posted)? guaranteed you will find everything you need to do cakes there


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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046364 - 02/17/10 11:26 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yah i googled that video for a few days now. Its a good one but Im still a little lost after seeing it for a few times..

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: MOPE]
    #12046368 - 02/17/10 11:26 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Needed:

Brown rice flour - This is easily obtained at any Bulk Barn, or you can buy brown rice at the groccery store and powder it yourself at home with a blender.

Vermiculite - This is sold at garden stores, hardware stores, some super-stores (eg, walmart, zellers). Look for it in the gardening section, if you have trouble locating it simply ask a store assistant and tell them that you are growing indoor plants.

1/2 pint canning Jars - These are sold at lots of places, such as hardware stores, wal-mart and even some groccery stores sell them. You are gonna want ones which are shoulder-less, which basically means that the jar is wider at the top than at the bottom. That, or jars which have a uniform width( top and bottom are same width). You need these so you can get your cakes out in one piece.

Aluminum foil - This is for sterilizing as to prevent water from splashing/dripping into the jars upsetting the water content.

Large pot for steaming - Contrary to popular belief, a pressure cooker is not required for sterilizing PF jars. A large pot with a good fitting lid is more than sufficient. You'll also need something to suspend the jars above the bottom of the pot as to prevent the jars cracking from heat, drying out the substrate, and/or upsetting the water balance.

Rubbermain container - Doesn't have to be that brand, any tub large enough to fit all your cakes into when placed side by side works good.

Perlite - This is to provide humidity to the mushrooms during the fruiting stage

Incubator (optional) - This is optional because unless the area your jars are sitting in is less than 60 degrees farhenheit, you do not need one. Higher temps WILL make the jars finish a day or two early, but it also increases the likelihood of a contaminate gaining the upper hand.

A couple light bulbs - Go to a hardware store or wal-mart or whatever, and look for what's called a Compact Flourescent Bulb (CFL). You want one which has a temperature spectral range of 5500-7000 K (kelvin). Some brands print this on there, so keep an eye out. Most others will put something like  "daylight" or such. That is the one you want. Incandescent bulbs are not recommended.

Desiccant - This is for drying the mushrooms once you've grown them. Desiccant is a material which absorbs water readily and is sold in some hardware stores. The best is Damprid, and is very effective, easy to regenerate, but is expensive.

Another alternative is stuff called "moisture magnet". It's what I use and it does the job good. It's about $7 for a 1 kilogram bag.

Fan (optional) - I like to split my mushroom's stem in half, than fan dry them for 1 day. Then I throw them in the desiccant chamber and they are nice and dry in 3 days.

There's a couple few things you'll need if you want to make a spore print.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: JonEveryman88]
    #12046382 - 02/17/10 11:28 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Needed:

Brown rice flour - This is easily obtained at any Bulk Barn, or you can buy brown rice at the groccery store and powder it yourself at home with a blender.

Vermiculite - This is sold at garden stores, hardware stores, some super-stores (eg, walmart, zellers). Look for it in the gardening section, if you have trouble locating it simply ask a store assistant and tell them that you are growing indoor plants.

1/2 pint canning Jars - These are sold at lots of places, such as hardware stores, wal-mart and even some groccery stores sell them. You are gonna want ones which are shoulder-less, which basically means that the jar is wider at the top than at the bottom. That, or jars which have a uniform width( top and bottom are same width). You need these so you can get your cakes out in one piece.

Aluminum foil - This is for sterilizing as to prevent water from splashing/dripping into the jars upsetting the water content.

Large pot for steaming - Contrary to popular belief, a pressure cooker is not required for sterilizing PF jars. A large pot with a good fitting lid is more than sufficient. You'll also need something to suspend the jars above the bottom of the pot as to prevent the jars cracking from heat, drying out the substrate, and/or upsetting the water balance.

Rubbermain container - Doesn't have to be that brand, any tub large enough to fit all your cakes into when placed side by side works good.

Perlite - This is to provide humidity to the mushrooms during the fruiting stage

Incubator (optional) - This is optional because unless the area your jars are sitting in is less than 60 degrees farhenheit, you do not need one. Higher temps WILL make the jars finish a day or two early, but it also increases the likelihood of a contaminate gaining the upper hand.

A couple light bulbs - Go to a hardware store or wal-mart or whatever, and look for what's called a Compact Flourescent Bulb (CFL). You want one which has a temperature spectral range of 5500-7000 K (kelvin). Some brands print this on there, so keep an eye out. Most others will put something like  "daylight" or such. That is the one you want. Incandescent bulbs are not recommended.

Desiccant - This is for drying the mushrooms once you've grown them. Desiccant is a material which absorbs water readily and is sold in some hardware stores. The best is Damprid, and is very effective, easy to regenerate, but is expensive.

Another alternative is stuff called "moisture magnet". It's what I use and it does the job good. It's about $7 for a 1 kilogram bag.

Fan (optional) - I like to split my mushroom's stem in half, than fan dry them for 1 day. Then I throw them in the desiccant chamber and they are nice and dry in 3 days.

There's a couple few things you'll need if you want to make a spore print.



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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: MOPE]
    #12046392 - 02/17/10 11:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

2 tons brf
5 tons verm
500 gallons water
3000 jars


Seriously though, if you just buy an averaged sized bag of brf and a medium sized bag of vermiculite and one case of 12 half pint jars, you'll be set for at least a few grows.

Here's the exact numbers:

"For one ½ pint jar(~240 ml) you will need:
=> 140 ml vermiculite
=> 40 ml brown rice flour
=> some vermiculite to fill the jar to the top (app. 20 ml)
=> water

For 6 jars, this amounts to:
=> 3.5 US cups vermiculite
=> 1 US cup brown rice flour "

Source:  http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek

Other than that, get a drill and 1/4-1/2 inch drill bit, a large clear tub, and a big bag of perlite and you'll be good to go.

Joneveryman beat me to a more exhaustive list though, so read what he said too.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: libertaire]
    #12046409 - 02/17/10 11:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Most of the stuff is listed there. Here's some helpful links that you should follow:

Desiccants
Spore prints/syringes
Shotgun Fruiting Chamber
PF-TEK

Good luck:thumbup:

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046416 - 02/17/10 11:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Cool thanks peps. Where can i find 2 tons of brf and 5 tons of verm? haha jk.. I have a bag of miracle grow perlite that has miracle grow in it... should i ditch this or can it work?

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046422 - 02/17/10 11:35 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Get some regular perlite.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046425 - 02/17/10 11:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I've used miracle grow perlite, and was sketched out by the fact that it had miracle grow in it, but no one's had any weird convulsions or anything from it, so I think it should be fine.  We did experience a great deal of nausea, but that's normal.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046441 - 02/17/10 11:38 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ill ditch it and get some new regular perlite. When will the stores start to stock up on these items for the spring season?

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046455 - 02/17/10 11:40 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know...I haven't used perlite in quite a while. Or verm. Or BRF.

But some stores carry overstock from last year so you should be able to get some.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046475 - 02/17/10 11:42 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

How many 12cc syringes do I need for a 12pack of 1/2pint wide mouth jars.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046482 - 02/17/10 11:43 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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How many 12cc syringes do I need for a 12pack of 1/2pint wide mouth jars.




you can get by with one...just shoot .25 ccs of spore solution into each of the four holes in each jar


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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: MOPE]
    #12046508 - 02/17/10 11:46 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Or just refill the syringe with new spore solution once empty.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: libertaire]
    #12046647 - 02/17/10 12:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

ill just use new syringes until i get familiar with everything... how long does it take from start to end before i can finally eat the product...

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12046662 - 02/17/10 12:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Homedepot is a good place to get perlite, that's where I got mine.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: Projekt]
    #12046683 - 02/17/10 12:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I would count on it being two months from start to finish.  It could take as little as less than a month, but it could also take way longer.  A month and half is average I think, but I'd say two just to be safe.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: libertaire]
    #12046982 - 02/17/10 01:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I would count on it being two months from start to finish.  It could take as little as less than a month, but it could also take way longer.  A month and half is average I think, but I'd say two just to be safe.





Sounds about right, generally at the 45 day mark.

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    #12047366 - 02/17/10 02:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well, it never hurts to stock up:shrug:

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: JonEveryman88]
    #12047403 - 02/17/10 02:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

lol thats all i could find online, walmart doesnt have any except perlite with miracle grow added, and homedepot doesnt have either.. im so clueless on what to do mate...

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12047471 - 02/17/10 02:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Where you live?

If you can find a home hardware they usually carry it.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12047496 - 02/17/10 02:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Here is a list of things that i figured I will need for my first grow. Im doing 2 different strains in 2 different containers simultaneously. Let me know if anything needs tweaked. I tried to plus rep some of you but i need 50 experience points first. Thanks for all the help.

2 - 10cc syringes
2 dozen - ½ pint wide mouth canning jars
5 cup Brown rice flour
5 cup water
10 cups vermiculite
Aluminum foil
Measuring Cup
Pressure cooker or large pot with lid
Latex gloves
Tie back wrist sleeves
Paper towels
Rubbing alcohol
Big lighter to sterilize needle
Glove box – clear container to inoculate jars
One large container for incubator
Perlite – Large Bag
Water Strainer

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: JonEveryman88]
    #12047531 - 02/17/10 02:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Im in a city bro.. there are plenty of mom and pop hardware stores around.. Im sure I can find everything I need around this city but first i gotta become familiarized with everything so that I know Im not doing anything wrong.. i plan on doing around 2 dozen small jars on my first go around... hope i picked the right method.. thanks

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12047545 - 02/17/10 02:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Except for the incubator:thumbup:

I just asked cause you said mate so I thought you might be Australian or something and stuff down there can be difficult to find.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: JonEveryman88]
    #12047579 - 02/17/10 02:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Micropore tape, polyfil, tyvek and a drill will make your jars almost impenetrable by contams.

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    #12047623 - 02/17/10 02:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

So i dont need an incubator... but I need microtape, polyfil, tyvek, and a drill. Ill read over this mushroom for beginners section and get back to this thread later.. thanks

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    #12047642 - 02/17/10 02:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Are there any methods where I can simply throw the jars in a rubbermaid container and throw them in the closet for a month.. or must i have a light bulb and clear container? Also how do i control the humidity so i can keep it high?

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12047659 - 02/17/10 02:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

if you want to just throw in closet and come back to ounces n ounces of mushrooms, i dont think that'll happen..you gotta work for your prize in this hobby im finding that out lol

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    #12047678 - 02/17/10 02:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Polyfil OR tyvek, don't really need both. And I recommend polyfil, for most jars most of the time.


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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: biologys]
    #12047741 - 02/17/10 02:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Damn.. thats what i was hoping to do lol I can do the work but ide prefer to just throw them in a closet after i do the work and forget about them for a month.. i thought they needed complete darkness and no lighting

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if you want to just throw in closet and come back to ounces n ounces of mushrooms, i dont think that'll happen..you gotta work for your prize in this hobby im finding that out lol



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    #12047748 - 02/17/10 02:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

What is polyfil and what do i do with it?

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Polyfil OR tyvek, don't really need both. And I recommend polyfil, for most jars most of the time.



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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: Jiggle]
    #12047890 - 02/17/10 03:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I am in the process of my second PF Tek and just thought I'd share some things I've learned. The good PF teks out there already have a complete list of supplies for you.

For perlite, don't get the Miracle-Grow stuff that you find at Wal-Mart or Home Depot. I couldn't see through the bag to know that it was brown and had crap added to it to make it more nutritional for plants. I ordered my first bags of perlite and vermiculite on Amazon because I couldn't find it locally. That's an easy way to do it, but you pay too much for shipping on large bags. Check out the local, independently run garden places instead of large chains. I found my 4 cubic foot bags of perlite and vermiculite for about $18.

Second, go ahead and invest in a pressure cooker. They aren't that expensive and if you want to move on to more advanced methods, you'll need one.

Third, a glove box is not 100% necessary, though I'm sure others will disagree. I have a small room that I can easily disinfect and I have had no contaminants at all with 12 PF style jars.

Then, be sure to pick up some extra 10mL syringes and needles so that you can make your own spore syringes from your mushrooms. Liquid cultures are also pretty simple; I would look into those.

For a good FC, I suggest the  Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The PF Tek I wish I would have followed the first time: Shea25's PF Tek
During my first grow, I used a bad tek and the jars took almost 1.5 months to fully colonize. I am now using Shea's and the jars were inoculated on Jan. 29 and all of them are 80-95% colonized.

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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: 65535]
    #12047923 - 02/17/10 03:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Sweet thanks for the info bud. Do you have a grow journal that I can follow.

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I am in the process of my second PF Tek and just thought I'd share some things I've learned. The good PF teks out there already have a complete list of supplies for you.

For perlite, don't get the Miracle-Grow stuff that you find at Wal-Mart or Home Depot. I couldn't see through the bag to know that it was brown and had crap added to it to make it more nutritional for plants. I ordered my first bags of perlite and vermiculite on Amazon because I couldn't find it locally. That's an easy way to do it, but you pay too much for shipping on large bags. Check out the local, independently run garden places instead of large chains. I found my 4 cubic foot bags of perlite and vermiculite for about $18.

Second, go ahead and invest in a pressure cooker. They aren't that expensive and if you want to move on to more advanced methods, you'll need one.

Third, a glove box is not 100% necessary, though I'm sure others will disagree. I have a small room that I can easily disinfect and I have had no contaminants at all with 12 PF style jars.

Then, be sure to pick up some extra 10mL syringes and needles so that you can make your own spore syringes from your mushrooms. Liquid cultures are also pretty simple; I would look into those.

For a good FC, I suggest the  Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The PF Tek I wish I would have followed the first time: Shea25's PF Tek
During my first grow, I used a bad tek and the jars took almost 1.5 months to fully colonize. I am now using Shea's and the jars were inoculated on Jan. 29 and all of them are 80-95% colonized.

Hope that helps.



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Re: BRF TEK ingredients needed [Re: shroomer42]
    #12049116 - 02/17/10 05:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

No I don't have a grow journal. I would make one but I've already done most of the initial steps. Use the search box, there's dozens of good ones out there already.

I do have some pics of my PF cakes while they're pinning:


And now while they're in the shotgun fruiting chamber shown in that link, but no fruits yet :


The effectiveness of RR's shotgun FC in maintaining high humidity:


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    #12049186 - 02/17/10 06:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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