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OfflineInoxia
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First grow problems
    #12044634 - 02/17/10 01:29 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

First of all, i want to say hello at the forum, this is my first post :smile:
The 21 january i have made 5 jars, two cambo and two three mexicube. First mistake, i havent put a mark on the jars, so now i cant distinguish beetween them :P
Then there is something that concern me more. Two jars are 90% and i think that saturday i can birth them. The other three are only 30%. One has a strange smell. But visually i cant see any contamination. What can be the cause of this different colonization speed? I was wondering if it can be the high temperature, but the jars are keep all in the same place and they are made with the same substrate.. Ah these 3 jars show also signs of condensation and some water at the bottom... Bacteria? If they are bacteria can i do something apart throwing the jar?
Last but not least, i have intention to do a casing with the two almost colonized jars, but then i have read somewhere here that cubes grow poor with casing. Can someone explain me if this is true and why?
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Re: First grow problems [Re: Inoxia]
    #12044640 - 02/17/10 01:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

All I can say is I got Mexicubes from Ralphsters and I've been colonizing since the end of November...

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Re: First grow problems [Re: AnotherShroomer]
    #12044664 - 02/17/10 01:37 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

sounds like too much moisture is definitely your problem. as far as casing, it depends on your substrate.

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Re: First grow problems [Re: AnotherShroomer]
    #12044676 - 02/17/10 01:41 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Two jars are 90% and i think that saturday i can birth them. The other three are only 30%. One has a strange smell. But visually i cant see any contamination. What can be the cause of this different colonization speed? I was wondering if it can be the high temperature, but the jars are keep all in the same place and they are made with the same substrate.. Ah these 3 jars show also signs of condensation and some water at the bottom... Bacteria? If they are bacteria can i do something apart throwing the jar?
Last but not least, i have intention to do a casing with the two almost colonized jars, but then i have read somewhere here that cubes grow poor with casing. Can someone explain me if this is true and why?




What's the temperatures you grow in?

Different genetics colonize at different rates.
Standing water is indeed an invite for bacterial growth. Flipping the jars, in order to let the water distribute throughout the substrate is a method to get rid of it. After you flipped them, don't flip them again, or you risk your dry verm layer. Let them colonize upside down.
A bad smell while not seeing anything is a sign for bacterial contamination. The jar should probably be tossed.

Casing BRF cakes is indeed not advised. It won't help much about the yield and simply takes longer.
What you can do is to crumble the cakes and spawn them to a nutritious bulk substrate, such as coir/verm(gypsum). The crumbled cakes are mixed with the substrate, and let for incubation in order to let the substrate being colonized. Once it's done, it can be put to fruiting conditions.

If you fruit the cake directly, wait another week after full colonization, in order to allow the mycelium to consolidate. The mushrooms won't produce any fruits for a about a week anyway and leaving them in the jars, prevents them from drying out, standing in the FC.

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Re: First grow problems [Re: Inoxia]
    #12044707 - 02/17/10 01:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

if mexicube are slow...Maybe the two colonized jars are the cambo.. This could explain the different colonization rate..
For what concern the casing, the cakes substrate is vermiculite+brown rice flour, and the casing that i have pre sterilized for later use its made of 4,5 part vermiculite 3,5 part peat moss and 2 part calcium carbonate..
Fahkface so can i do what you suggest with my casing mix? I can mix the cakes substrate with it and let it colonize, without putting the casing layer at the top..

Ah i forgot to say about the temperature... I dont know exactly what it is, but its high. The jars are in the airflow pipe of a fridge, and if i put the hand in there its warm.. Probably more than 80-85 F


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Edited by Inoxia (02/17/10 01:52 AM)

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Re: First grow problems [Re: Inoxia]
    #12044716 - 02/17/10 01:53 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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if mexicube are slow...Maybe the two colonized jars are the cambo.. This could explain the different colonization rate..




This doesn't say anything. Colonization is speed might be a genetic issue in this case, but clearly not a matter of the name someone wrote on a syringe!

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Fahkface so can i do what you suggest with my casing mix? I can mix the cakes substrate with it and let it colonize, without putting the casing layer at the top..




No! What you've mixed there is indeed a non-nutritious casing layer, which should be used as one.
If you want to spawn to a bulk substrate, you need a nutritious one, such as the above advised coir/verm/gypsum substrate.

Casing BRF cakes doesn't make much sense and does increase the chance for contams. You can do it, but the results will probably be just the same, as when you'll fruit from the cakes directly. Actually I'd expect the cakes to yield even more and it's a lot faster.

Put your jars somewhere where it's not that hot. Temps like these may slow down colonization and favor bacterial growth!

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Re: First grow problems [Re: Fahkface]
    #12044739 - 02/17/10 02:00 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ok thanks for the suggestions :smile:


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