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PE!!!!!
    #12042650 - 02/16/10 07:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Hey all!

I have a friend that is growing currently and he has a PE cakes made with BRF and in a perlite FC

the FC has lots of FAE probably about 10 times a day

and misting fluctuates depending on how much water is on the side walls

The "Problem" i guess is that it looks likes they're all aborting even at moderate sizes..

Any ideas??? suggestions??

does the cake look contamed??

Thx ahead of time!  :thumbup:


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ebola20]
    #12042683 - 02/16/10 07:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Are there holes in the FC I don't see any? They don't look contamed but something certainly is off.

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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ebola20]
    #12042689 - 02/16/10 07:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Remember the condensation on the walls of the fruiting chamber are only a sign that there is a temperature differential between the inside and outside of the fruiting chamber. It's not an accurate indicator of true humidity.

They might have been aborting because of a lack of humidity

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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: Thaddeus0]
    #12042727 - 02/16/10 08:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

nah no holes in the FC you think i should convert it to a Shotgun FC

and yeah a hygrometer would prolly be a good idea  :uhoh:


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ebola20]
    #12042746 - 02/16/10 08:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'd suggest adding some holes. Even with fanning 10 times a day if it's completely sealed there probably not going to be getting enough FAE it'd be worth a try.

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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: Mycjunky]
    #12042766 - 02/16/10 08:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

so what do you think the culprit is?? not enough FAE?? or too low humidty?


I heard that PE can be a pain sometimes on BRF


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: Mycjunky]
    #12042769 - 02/16/10 08:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah try some holes they look really dry to me.

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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: dread]
    #12042810 - 02/16/10 08:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup:

Will do thanks a lot for the quick responses and good advice fellas


Has anybody else had problems like these when growin PE or has anybody else had more success?


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: Mycjunky]
    #12042820 - 02/16/10 08:17 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You do need holes on all six sides for it to work correctly. Thats the point of the shotty FC. Air going through the chamber causes the humidity to go up. If i remember correctly. Also it needs to be off the ground an inch or two in a room with moving air. So id suggest doing that now. I suspect low humidty is causing the aboring due to no holes.

Also PE is one hell of a mushroom you wont be dissapointed!:thumbup:

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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: Noobey]
    #12042875 - 02/16/10 08:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Thx i cant wait!

would you suggest putting cakes directly on perlite for 24 hours or so to soak up some moisture??

and its already off the ground and fan will be set on low...sir :evil:


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ebola20]
    #12042890 - 02/16/10 08:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

No don't put the cakes directly on the perilite all that's gonna do is risk getting contams. Just directly mist the cakes and make sure they stay nice and moist and you'll be solid.

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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: Mycjunky]
    #12043282 - 02/16/10 09:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

sounds good Thx to all for the advice!



Happy shroomin to all and i will keep y'all updated as to how this continues


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ebola20]
    #12043385 - 02/16/10 09:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think you need anymore holes at all. What you have there is a mutation. Multispore PE injections typically mutate to all hell before you get fruits. It's best to clone a fruit and start from there for your next batch.


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #12043399 - 02/16/10 09:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

well great haha...well just because they mutate doesnt mean they abort?


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ebola20]
    #12043416 - 02/16/10 09:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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well great haha...well just because they mutate doesnt mean they abort?



My first flush has more mutations and aborts than normal fruits. Also PE is a terrible pinner for cakes. It grows best in trays and monotubs.


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #12043423 - 02/16/10 09:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yeahh i heard you say that in a different thread and i thought otherwise before :-\ but i had already had it pinning so it was too late

but thanks for the advice..

you think next flush will prove to be better??


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #12043921 - 02/16/10 10:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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well great haha...well just because they mutate doesnt mean they abort?



My first flush has more mutations and aborts than normal fruits. Also PE is a terrible pinner for cakes. It grows best in trays and monotubs.





PE is a terrible pinner period for the most part. in order to really get a good PE grow, best thing to do would be to isolate a strain.


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12043962 - 02/16/10 11:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

you mean using agar?



sorry im fairly new :-\


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ebola20]
    #12043981 - 02/16/10 11:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ebola20]
    #12045155 - 02/17/10 07:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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you mean using agar?



sorry im fairly new :-\



Or just clone your largest earliest fruiting mushroom. Thats what I do. My cloned PE LC's have little to no mutations and aborts. Seriously I think the last time I did a multispore PE grow I had close to a half O of mutes and aborts. It was really bad. I think I got like 2 Os of good fruits. That half O of mutes and aborts would have been another 2-3 Os of fruits had all gone well.


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ebola20]
    #12045170 - 02/17/10 07:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeahh i heard you say that in a different thread and i thought otherwise before :-\ but i had already had it pinning so it was too late

but thanks for the advice..

you think next flush will prove to be better??



Yeah if you have a bad case of mutations like you do then typically the next flush grows fruits. Just re-dunk them and let them do their thing when your first flush is over. Also multispore PE's have a long ass flush. It's a very uneven fruiting strain till you clone it or isolate it. I think a typical MS flush for me lasts 2 weeks or so from start to finish. I'm constantly picking fruits out.


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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #12045196 - 02/17/10 07:43 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I don't really think PE is much different than normal cubes, I've had it fruit decently on cakes on all flushes. I would just say increase your humidity which is a cause for a lot of aborts and increase your fae which tends to make a lot of mutants.

But anyway, MS is a gamble and yes to be absolutely certain it's not lack of fae and humidity you would need to isolate.

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Re: PE!!!!! [Re: TacoHerder]
    #12045367 - 02/17/10 08:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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ebola20 said:
well great haha...well just because they mutate doesnt mean they abort?



My first flush has more mutations and aborts than normal fruits. Also PE is a terrible pinner for cakes. It grows best in trays and monotubs.





PE is a terrible pinner period for the most part. in order to really get a good PE grow, best thing to do would be to isolate a strain.





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