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    #12037848 - 02/16/10 01:02 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: spookypooky]
    #12037859 - 02/16/10 01:04 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Having myc popping up through 2/3s of your casing layer sounds about right. Kinda depdends how deep your casing layer is, personally i make my casing layers extremely light so after a little is colonized I know the rest isn't far off and it colonized quickly in the fc and I get perfect pin sets every time.

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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: Mycjunky]
    #12037902 - 02/16/10 01:12 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

pretty thin. it was over just straight up hay, so its a little wavy, about 8 inches of hay cased with a quater inch coir/moss

I just had a fricking super huge bin go green on me in the center, white everywhere else (on the bottom) totally SCREWED my day.

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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: spookypooky]
    #12037914 - 02/16/10 01:15 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yea i know what you mean, thats why I started using real thin casing layers so it could colonize quick enough and not get contamed, however if you are giving it enough FAE it shouldn't be much of an issue.

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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: Mycjunky]
    #12037957 - 02/16/10 01:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Cant really FAE the bottom =/ thats where it started somehow.  I think I was running into issues because I was pasturizing my straw instead of steralizig it.

the ones that I steralized are the ones that shit just ripped rightt through like no tommorow.  and they're contam free.  The ones I pasturized seemed to be contam prone.

I think theres a higher level than normal of tops in the straw.  The farmers market said it was straw, but theres a few green strands per handful, and more wheat tops than desirable, but oh well!

blargh, I think my cool mist shit the bucket.

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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: spookypooky]
    #12038144 - 02/16/10 02:26 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Cant really FAE the bottom =/ thats where it started somehow.  I think I was running into issues because I was pasturizing my straw instead of steralizig it.

the ones that I steralized are the ones that shit just ripped rightt through like no tommorow.  and they're contam free.  The ones I pasturized seemed to be contam prone.

I think theres a higher level than normal of tops in the straw.  The farmers market said it was straw, but theres a few green strands per handful, and more wheat tops than desirable, but oh well!

blargh, I think my cool mist shit the bucket.




Normally it's the other way around. Straw, however is very affine to contams. If you have issues with it I'd probably use another bulk substrate. Coir/verm/gypsum is the easiest in my opinion.
With casing layers it doesn't really matters when you put the tubs to fruiting conditions. Actually the layer isn't suppose to be nutritious anyway. I have no idea how much coir you used for it (small amounts are OK).
Many people like to incubate their trays/tubs after applying a casing layer, others don't. It's up to you what you want to do.

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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: Fahkface]
    #12038271 - 02/16/10 03:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Coir/verm/gypsum for the bulk sub, or the casing? I thought that was a casing mix?

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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: spookypooky]
    #12038299 - 02/16/10 04:17 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Nope, it's a substrate mix.
As said before, casing layers are supposed to be non-nutritious and are applied simply to add more moisture to the substrate.
They ain't necessary for growing Cubes, except when you want to fruit from grains directly.


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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: Fahkface]
    #12038321 - 02/16/10 04:33 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

thx for the info, do you have a tek?

Also, whats the nutrient source in the bulk for the coir/verm/gypsum? the coir?

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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: spookypooky]
    #12038370 - 02/16/10 05:13 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

All three. Even verm seems to be somewhat nutritious for Psilocybe cubensis.

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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: spookypooky]
    #12038402 - 02/16/10 05:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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thx for the info, do you have a tek?




Magash's tek describes casing straight rye grains with coir/verm:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Forum2&Number=4577994 but I guess you're looking to use it for bulk...


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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: andymc]
    #12038506 - 02/16/10 07:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

yah, I get the feeling there isnt enough goodies in that for a bulk.  How big of a bulk do you use the coir/verm/gypsum mix for?  What are your yields like?

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Re: When to fruit casing [Re: spookypooky]
    #12038525 - 02/16/10 07:15 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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yah, I get the feeling there isnt enough goodies in that for a bulk.  How big of a bulk do you use the coir/verm/gypsum mix for?  What are your yields like?




That experiment is ongoing.  But, as said, that tek is for straight grain, and the coir is used as a casing, not a substrate.

The consensus of a lot of people around here is that you don't need to case a bulk substrate.  I don't have personal experience with that yet.  People also say coir is best used to mix into a substrate, and that you should case with something like peat.

Personally I'm following Magash's tek for now :cool:.


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