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p4kSouL
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Democrats VS Republicans
#12030150 - 02/14/10 08:11 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whos better?
On TV they are always fighting. Its pretty stupid.
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pretzel_king
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Re: Democrats VS Republicans [Re: p4kSouL]
#12030489 - 02/14/10 09:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Neither
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blkjkrabbit
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it's theater - meant to divide us cleanly so we never stop bickering and pay attention to the man behind the curtain.
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Yrat
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Re: Democrats VS Republicans [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#12032966 - 02/15/10 10:24 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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blkjkrabbit said: it's theater - meant to divide us cleanly so we never stop bickering and pay attention to the man behind the curtain.
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Re: Democrats VS Republicans [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#12032974 - 02/15/10 10:26 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is abysmally uninformed to continue to deny that there are substantive differences between the two parties. Whether those differences are meaningful to each of you personally is irrelevant to the fact that they exist and are substantial.
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Re: Democrats VS Republicans [Re: p4kSouL]
#12033468 - 02/15/10 12:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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They are both comprised of crooks and liars but I find that the Democrats have more redeemable congressmen/women. In terms of the executive branch however definitely Democrats, Republican presidents have been nothing but reprehensible since WWII.
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Seuss
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> They are both comprised of crooks and liars but I find that the Democrats have more redeemable congressmen/women.
You are half right. Neither have "more redeemable congressmen/women".
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Re: Democrats VS Republicans [Re: Seuss]
#12035248 - 02/15/10 04:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not a single man or woman holding a seat in the House or the Senate is worth a damn? I agree that a decent congressman is in the minority but I don't believe that every single one of them is worthless.
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blkjkrabbit
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the only ones i have any respect for are alan grayson, ron paul, and dennis kucinich - as well as a few miscellaneous others.
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danielx
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Gastronomicus said: Not a single man or woman holding a seat in the House or the Senate is worth a damn? I agree that a decent congressman is in the minority but I don't believe that every single one of them is worthless.
name some then.
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Re: Democrats VS Republicans [Re: danielx]
#12037631 - 02/16/10 12:14 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Al Franken Michael Bennet Mark Udall Howard Dean
You can save the reply where you tell me that I'm wrong.
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Seuss
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> You can save the reply where you tell me that I'm wrong.
Have they opted out of the congressional healthcare system or pension fund? If not, corrupt to the core, just like nearly every other member of congress.
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danielx
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i saw howard dean in that list.
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zappaisgod
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Tell me all about the great (well, any, really) things Al Franken has done. Aside from Stewart Smalley, which was the last time he waas funny.
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Re: Democrats VS Republicans [Re: zappaisgod]
#12039888 - 02/16/10 01:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll tell you the worst thing he did: he cruelly deprived our brave, patriotic mercenaries of their God-given right to gang-rape their female coworkers with impunity.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/485424/franken_s_anti_rape_amendment
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In April of 2008, KBR employee Dawn Leamon went public. A few months earlier, she had been raped and sexually assaulted by co-workers while deployed at Camp Harper, in Iraq, and after weeks of being pressured not to report the incident, forced to work alongside her attackers, and medically neglected, Leamon brought the story to a Houston attorney and to The Nation. Leamon joined a slowly building chorus of female defense contractor employees who'd been raped or sexually assaulted by co-workers while in Iraq, to utter impunity on the part of their assailants. In response, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee called a hearing to investigate why the Justice Department had not prosecuted any sexual assault allegations in Iraq since the going to war in the country.
When it turned out that defense contractors often required employees, as a condition of employment, to submit to binding private arbitration in disputes with the contractors (including allegations of sexual assault), instead of bringing complaints to public courts, and that the Department of Defense claimed they couldn't prosecute for this very reason (even though these clauses only prevented civil suits), Senator Ben Nelson, who called the hearing, offered a simple solution: "This might be something you want to require and include in your contracts--before you award them," Karen Houppert reported in The Nation.
Freshman Sen. Al Franken took Nelson's suggestion seriously, and has pushed through an amendment to a Defense Appropriations bill that would prevent the Pentagon from doing business with contractors who force employees into binding arbitration over rape and sexual assault charges. (As Jon Stewart put it, "How is that a loophole that needs closing?")
I'm sure no one will be surprised to hear the party-line breakdown on this one...
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Predictably, Sen. Jeff Sessions, ranking Republican member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, opposed Franken's bill. "Congress should not be involved in writing or rewriting private contracts," he argued. The bill was, he maintained, a "political amendment at bottom, representing a political attack on Halliburton." In fact, the amendment only goes so far as to require contractors doing business with the government to permit employees to sue civilly in the "most egregious violations," Franken emphasized in a statement. (For less egregious matters, contractors can still require employees to waive their right to sue and submit to arbitration.)
No thanks to Sessions or most Republican members of the Senate, the bill passed, 68-30.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Democrats VS Republicans [Re: jimbotron]
#12040086 - 02/16/10 01:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Since you cannot sign away essential rights, i.e. the right to report a crime, in any employment contract, I call spice. Suing civilly is another matter, but you cannot sign away your right to report a crime and to have it prosecuted. In fact, your link says exactly that:
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When it turned out that defense contractors often required employees, as a condition of employment, to submit to binding private arbitration in disputes with the contractors (including allegations of sexual assault), instead of bringing complaints to public courts, and that the Department of Defense claimed they couldn't prosecute for this very reason (even though these clauses only prevented civil suits)
Hmmm. Looks like grandstanding from the empty posturing fool.
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forced to work alongside her attackers
Forced? How about you just fucking quit?
Finally, Jon Stewart is an idiot,
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You want to give it to Halliburton, because they're committing real gang rape.
Halliburton has a penis?
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Therian
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Re: Democrats VS Republicans [Re: zappaisgod]
#12043870 - 02/16/10 10:42 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Senate Foreign Relations Committee called a hearing to investigate why the Justice Department had not prosecuted any sexual assault allegations in Iraq since the going to war in the country.
To the best of my knowledge you cannot prosecute based on an allegation. Investigate maybe. Also she claimed she was raped, was a physical performed to corroborate her accusations? Was there any DNA evidence? Or did they just find a plunger similar to the type the NYPD likes to sodomize people with?
I hate both parties, I cant stand Keith Olberman with his fucking blowhard, arrogant, egotistical, b.s. The Dem's seem extremely condescending, knowing what's best for us easily manipulated, ignorant rednecks, shit kickers and trailer trash.
Then again when I see that fat bastard Glenn Beck with his contrived false concern for the "common guy" makes me want to puke. He also is one of the most condescending assholes " see people when this number is bigger than that number, that means we have a deficit". All the while playing with his chalkboard as if this somehow gives validity to his crap.
They are all money whores sucking off the monetary penis of the highest bidder, just each has a different type of john, and the constituents ain't it.
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Seuss
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Re: Democrats VS Republicans [Re: Therian]
#12044930 - 02/17/10 04:25 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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> To the best of my knowledge you cannot prosecute based on an allegation
So why do we bother with juries? Perhaps I am misreading you, but all prosecutions are based upon allegations. Under common law, typically, a grand jury decides if the allegations warrant prosecution.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Democrats VS Republicans [Re: Seuss]
#12045017 - 02/17/10 06:02 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, he's correct. An allegation is made, followed by an investigation in which prosecutors determine if a crime has a. been committed and b. can be proven. Lots of allegations never get near a jury even if there is a strong likelihood that a crime has been committed. In the case of a late report rape even that finding can be difficult.
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Quote:
danielx said:
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Gastronomicus said: Not a single man or woman holding a seat in the House or the Senate is worth a damn? I agree that a decent congressman is in the minority but I don't believe that every single one of them is worthless.
name some then.
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Gastronomicus said: Al Franken Michael Bennet Mark Udall Howard Dean
You can save the reply where you tell me that I'm wrong.
Sorry. I can't.
Howard Dean is not a member of Congress. He never was.
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