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Re: Feminism [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12015500 - 02/12/10 12:43 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

I wouldn't really qualify that as feminism.
Kind of like when I see a magazine article about "how to improve yourself by understanding your mind" labelled "psychology". It's not psychology to me. Only people being wrong.


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Re: Feminism [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12015504 - 02/12/10 12:43 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Women can learn from men, and men can learn from women.


I am a male, so I can learn from femenism. I believe all males could learn a better sense of community, which is natural for women.


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Re: Feminism [Re: roboto212]
    #12015827 - 02/12/10 01:42 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

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roboto212 said:
Women can learn from men, and men can learn from women.


I am a male, so I can learn from femenism. I believe all males could learn a better sense of community, which is natural for women.




how so? I always see similar claims like this but one of the most isolated social demographics is SAHMs (stay at home moms). I think I'm going to call bullshit.


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Re: Feminism [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12016453 - 02/12/10 03:05 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Well, like the movies depict, girl friends are very close to each other, in a way guy friends are not. They can see each other naked, where as guy friends prefer to keep their close on.

This is the aspect of community I am talking about. Sure they are deceptive little vixens to each other sometimes, but I have never felt comfortable naked around my guy friends.... Is that not a sense of community, spawning from femenism.

But is goes both ways, women can learn from men as well. Women are more emotionally centered as a whole, men are more logically centered as a whole.


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Re: Feminism [Re: Sprezzatura]
    #12016470 - 02/12/10 03:08 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Something funny I wanted to add...

I was talking to one of my friends and feminism came up yesterday... Cool Gal. She's a strong, smart woman, mid 30's, and she was actually into woman's rights when she was a teenager and early 20's, but hates new age Feminism/Militant Radical Feminism.
She has a good job and feels that she's treated pretty fairly.

She was talking, in particular, about how some women try to dominate men, instead of creating an equilibrium, and she said...

"Why are these girls calling that 'Feminism' anyway? Wouldn't 'Feminism' imply they were trying to be somewhat lady-like?  They should call it Sheman-masculinism" :rofl:

Haha, that shit cracked me up.


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Re: Feminism [Re: Sprezzatura]
    #12016520 - 02/12/10 03:14 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Well yeah, everyone knows that women are from Penis and men are from Mars.  :givemehead:


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Re: Feminism [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #12016546 - 02/12/10 03:18 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

lol penis :0


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Re: Feminism [Re: Kukaracha]
    #12016880 - 02/12/10 04:15 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

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You should explain me a few things.

Why do we tell our kids that "it's daddy who plants the seed in mommy's tummy"?
The dad's the gardener and the mother's a vase?
Why are women the favorite victims of serial killers? If you plan on killing someone, whether the victim is strong or not doesn't matter. Stab a man, stab a woman, you'll get the same result. Why are these "hunters" attracted to women...? Do they consider women... less equal? Are they easier to kill, like it's easier to kill ducks?

Why are women given a passive role? Why should they be so pretty, why should they wear makeup, sexy clothes, while boys just have to "look good"?
Come on, you know Barbie. You've been to a toys shop. What do they sell to little girls? Kitchens, yes sir, they still do. Or makeup. Or dolls. Or dolls that look like clubbing sluts.
Why are men supposed to decide in a relationship? Why are they expected to make the first step? And why do women always "receive", receive gifts, sex, kisses, and such?

Men are subjects. They are supposed to be strong, they must not cry, they must defend their own, be competitive, they should pick up girls. Men are expected to be responsible.
Women are objects. They are supposed to be pretty, they should be sensitive so men have a little thing to protect and care about, they should be defended, they should always be cuter than the other girls, thinner, they are not the ones expected to make the first move. Girls are expected to look nice.
The french sociologist Bourdieu worked on this. Both roles could be criticized. A girl has the right to make decisions. A boys has the right to cry. Of course, everyone is never completely a subject or an object; I'm only saying that women are mostly considered objects.
The fact that they were born that way maybe influenced many girls into liking their position. It's at least obvious that they unconsciously accept it: ever heard a girl and a boy tell you about a date? The boy fucked a girl, the girl got fucked.

However, I don't think that being an object is the best condition: a vase is something you buy, you break, you give, you throw away. Violence against women is a proof: humans in western society are more inclined to harm women than harming men. Once again, strenght is a small factor. A girl with a bat could kick any random guy's ass. Being considered a fellow object at least gives you respect, although it also gives more responsabilities.


There was a very intersting movie made here in France about the matter, "La Domination Masculine". I learned a few things about masculinism in there. People who, like you, considered feminism as madness and wanted women to keep it quiet.

People are not equal, but they are not that different from one another. Any tomboy could prove you that. Society makes us what we are and some individuals aren't happy with their roles. You've got something against change?




Women aren't objects and they aren't passive.

When you buy into that premise, you invalidate and cancel femininity. Some new definition of what it means to be a woman must then be created. It's a distorted perception that associates social position with power. You are looking at life from the vantage point of society. Not from the perspective of a human being.

The sexes are equal, but for the sake of argument you could say that women are the more powerful sex. Life revolves around them.

Every birth abnormality and learning disability is multiplied in men by almost 10. Down syndrone, color blindness, autism, dyslexia, whatever it is men are at far greater risk for it. The average life expectancy of man is usually 15 years shorter as well.

Look at the number of male authors compared to female authors, compare the number of male comedians to female comedians, then scientists, then philosophers, then artists, etc, etc...

The reason why women don't excel in these fields is because they don't have to. In order for a population to sustain itself, a woman has to have 3 children. That's a lot of work and is no easy task. Children are completely dependent upon their parents, there's no way you can tell me that 500 years ago women could fight wars, chop wood, and build houses while having babies slung over their backs.

That's where man comes along though. He creates an environment that can nurture and protect women. It's why men are sronger, why more genius' are men, nature can afford to give men these things because they aren't the ones who have to carry a child for 9 months.

When the titanic went down, no one was screaming "MEN FIRST!", it was "Women & Children". That alone should tell you a lot.


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Re: Feminism [Re: roboto212]
    #12021660 - 02/13/10 01:11 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

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roboto212 said:
They can see each other naked, where as guy friends prefer to keep their close on.


:lol:


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Re: Feminism [Re: Poid]
    #12021676 - 02/13/10 01:14 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

hahaha wow i didnt notice that. I was very tired when i posted that, so I am not responsible for anything ive said in this thread lol.

I really cant imagine making that mistake like that, but I guess I did :smile:.


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Re: Feminism [Re: roboto212]
    #12021694 - 02/13/10 01:17 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

:grin:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Feminism [Re: roboto212]
    #12022457 - 02/13/10 03:52 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

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so I am not responsible for anything ive said in this thread lol.




Well that may save you from hearing the crack I was going to make about how watching porn doesn't make me a community organizer.

I think a lot of the crap that you purported about women in that thread is put into your head by media and society and not by experience or evidence.

In fact, logicality and emotionality also vary greatly from person to person rather than from gender to gender. Eg. female scientists and male crybabies(glen beck).


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