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Moonraker
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Trip duration issues.
#12015112 - 02/12/10 11:09 AM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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I've tripped a little over twenty times on mushrooms in the past 4 years. My last two trips have been exremely short lived. I just harvested some mushies and made some tea which had me up and all the way down in about two and a half hours and the same goes for my girlfiend. However two other people took the same batch with us but instead ate the shrooms and they tripped for maybe around 7 hours. So thinking that my tea may have been to blame I tried agian after waiting for my tolerence to go down. Me and my girlfriend ate about 4-5 cracker dry grams and were up and completly down in about an hour and a half. We definatly reached peak effects in that time period but needless to say the duration is frustrating. We eat on a couple-hour empty stomachs and have never had this problem before. Usually my trips are a good 6-8 hours. What could be causing this? I truely have no idea. Help me out. Thanks.
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Re: Trip duration issues. [Re: Moonraker]
#12015233 - 02/12/10 11:38 AM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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were the last two trips from the same culture? could be genetics, it sucks but it happens anyway I never make tea, just normally drink down with some juice...
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Re: Trip duration issues. [Re: retarrrd]
#12015251 - 02/12/10 11:42 AM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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No its not genetics because two other people ate from the same batch and tripped really hard for a good amount of time. Also if they were weak we wouldn't have really reached the peak effects like we did, it would have just been mellow for a short time. We were on the right path for a good long trip but it just stopped at around the two hour mark both times.
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Re: Trip duration issues. [Re: Moonraker]
#12015313 - 02/12/10 11:57 AM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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But thanks for the suggestion/reply. Hopefully someone will have an answer. I think I'm just going to step up the dosage this weekend to about a quater.
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Re: Trip duration issues. [Re: Moonraker]
#12015419 - 02/12/10 12:22 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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You can only rule out genetics if and ONLY if you are working with clones...eat more .
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Re: Trip duration issues. [Re: xanthar]
#12015600 - 02/12/10 01:05 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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what strain? they must be weak as hell if you are eating 4-5 grams and not getting that much off them...
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Re: Trip duration issues. [Re: Seeker_22]
#12015673 - 02/12/10 01:19 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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You and your girl are rapid metabolizes?That's what it sounds like to me...now if you have tripped before and the duration was longer then look if you have changed anything in your diet.I have no idea how psilocybin gets broken down in the body but it is entirely possible that some easy to induce enzyme is responsible for it.
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Re: Trip duration issues. [Re: Moonraker]
#12015983 - 02/12/10 02:05 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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Sounds like tolerance or some dietary inhibitor (don't know what) to me. The peaks can be the same but the duration is short, yeah, that's not uncommon if the dosage is low for you, not your friends. See what a higher dose does.
The reason I say this is due to trying out new strains/species with low doses - it yields a "mini trip" of shorter duration. Your body processes out the alkaloids over time at a pretty steady rate - more alkaloids ingested, the longer they stay in circulation in your bloodstream. Also, a higher dose suppresses digestive secretions (dry mouth, less or no appetite) because the neurotransmitter serotonin is also used in the digestive system. This slows down your digestion of the rest of what you've consumed, thus extending the trip.
My advice would be to make strong tea by simmering them in a small amount of water, constantly stirring, and do that in a shot. But be aware that though the intensity may be higher the duration will be slower over eating them, for the reasons above.
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Re: Trip duration issues. [Re: 13.step]
#12016032 - 02/12/10 02:12 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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13.step said: You and your girl are rapid metabolizes?That's what it sounds like to me...now if you have tripped before and the duration was longer then look if you have changed anything in your diet.I have no idea how psilocybin gets broken down in the body but it is entirely possible that some easy to induce enzyme is responsible for it.
See, now Ive been doing alot of research on this subject and cant find ANYTHING. Instead of trying to grow the most potent mushroom, or whatever the hell we waste our time on we should try and figure out how mushrooms are broken down in the body. So we can change ourselves to have the mushrooms more potent, and not the mushroom itself. MAOIs will increase potency, but thats only because it changes the brain, not inhibiting enyzmes.. well actually it does inhibit enyzmes but I dont believe it inhibits the ones that break down mushrooms...
To OP. Did your friends eat them on a empty stomach aswell? I have also noticed, that once you go over a certain dosage the trip lasts alot longer. Maybe its based on what primalsoup said maybe its some other factor. Im not sure, but try to get a high dose and see if it still lasts a short time, and if you want to experiment try an MAOI.
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Re: Trip duration issues. [Re: Janamil]
#12016717 - 02/12/10 03:46 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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Say what? You can find the exact biochemical pathways illustrated, psilocybin is metabolized (dephosphorylated) to active psilocin in the liver (see wikipedia, among others). Other actives are only present in trace amounts, but IMHO color the trips. 
SFAIK anything that interferes with serotonin reuptake (SSRIs) will decrease apparent potency. MAOIs will potentiate, apparently. My experience is simple, though - the more you improve your basal fitness, the better the trips.
Peace -PS
Edited by PrimalSoup (02/12/10 03:56 PM)
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Re: Trip duration issues. [Re: Moonraker]
#12016969 - 02/12/10 04:33 PM (14 years, 14 days ago) |
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Not to be Captain Obvious but instead of eating them all at once you should try taking two doses, spaced out by 1-2 hours; (much longer than that and tolerance starts to become an issue.) I always do this both to soften the come-down and to prolong the experience, and in both regards it's always worked.
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Re: Trip duration issues. [Re: Land_Crab]
#12019076 - 02/12/10 10:29 PM (14 years, 13 days ago) |
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Thanks for all the responses. A lot of you just recommended higher doses so here i am tonight eating at least 6 grams and my lady is eating a full quarter in tea. Wish me luck. I am kind of hesitant to try an MAOI because i have done research on it quite extensively and think that it has the tendency to really elevate a trip, maybe even too much.
-------------------- A human race with more highly developed spiritual capacities, with expanded consciousness of the depth and the incomprehensible wonder of being, would also have greater understanding of and better consideration for the biological and material foundation of life on this earth, Above all, for Western people with their hypertrophied rationality, the development and expansion of a direct, emotional experience of reality, unobstructed by words and concepts, would be of evolutionary significance. Beginning to think is beginning to be undermined. To fall in hell or soar angelic, You need a pinch of psychedelic.
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