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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #12023467 - 02/13/10 07:07 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #12024726 - 02/13/10 10:51 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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pancaking 2 together is not a good idea.





why exactly is that, my pop was a plumber for 50 years, it's a method he trusts




You didnt read the rest of that....

"pancaking 2 together is not a good idea.




this was the part I was questioning, the rest wasnt relevant to this
statement, using a new standard over top of the old is the same as using
a thick one, except there's less work, less mess and lass hassle

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Not to mention I get the ones that have that coupling part built in.




which makes no difference since the parts stack together, if you already
have wax on the closet flange and floor, add another layer of wax that
conforms and seals how is that going to be any worse than scraping the
goo and adding a new one


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12026252 - 02/14/10 09:01 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

the rest of my quote (which for some reason you failed to add) said... IMO


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #12027220 - 02/14/10 12:48 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

opinion rather than experience... experience is why it was recommended to stack the rings


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12027257 - 02/14/10 12:55 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yes my opinion.

I know a lot of plumbers (how I learned to fix my wax ring) and not one of them would tell you to get 2 wax rings rather then 1 thick one.

They wouldnt make thick ones if it was just as easy to use 2 small ones.

That's like using 2 small cups to drink out of rather then 1 big one. If you need a small ring, get one, if you need an extra thick one (for a better seal or for uneven floors) then get an extra thick one.

On another note, cost.
1 thin ring runs around $2, same as a thick ring (give to take a few cents)

So you can spend $4 on 2 thin rings or $2 on 1 thick ring :shrug:

if your telling me 2 rings is better then 1, OR as just of a trusted method... then you must be an expensive plumber charging all your clients for an extra ring that they dont need.

Plus leaving the ring on doesnt hurt... but its just a piss pour way to do a repair. Would you add more glue to a piece of wood without scraping the old dry glue off? I wouldnt


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12027543 - 02/14/10 01:39 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Yes my opinion.

I know a lot of plumbers (how I learned to fix my wax ring) and not one of them would tell you to get 2 wax rings rather then 1 thick one.

They wouldnt make thick ones if it was just as easy to use 2 small ones.




how about one standard on top of the old one, it's not getting 2 wax
rings, it's only getting one and adding it to what's already there,
strangely enough I know lots of plumbers too and I dont know a single
one that would recommend scraping the old wax and replacing it as
opposed to just adding a new one to the old, preexisting wax



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On another note, cost.
1 thin ring runs around $2, same as a thick ring (give to take a few cents)




um.. because you'll only be buying one in either case, as mentioned
a dozen tiems, leave the old wax, add the SINGLE new wax ring and
set the fixture

$1.07 https://www.hardwareworld.com/WSleeve-Wax-Ring-p10K9E0.aspx

$4-$8 http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=wax+ring&ved=0CB0QrQQwAg&cid=6422297589344052378&sa=title#p


So you can spend $4 on 2 thin rings or $2 on 1 thick ring :shrug:

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if your telling me 2 rings is better then 1, OR as just of a trusted method... then you must be an expensive plumber charging all your clients for an extra ring that they dont need.





I still dont understand where you're getting the buy 2 rings bullshit,
they had already bought the old ring when they bought the house, I'm
simply recommending a method that saves time, effort and mess, a method
that's recommended by plumbers everywhere

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Replacing a wax ring requires nothing but a wrench and a chisels to scrap off the old wax. I just did mine a few weeks ago. Took less then 30 minutes and Ive never done one before.





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Replacing a wax ring requires nothing but a wrench and a chisels to scrap off the old wax.



dont even scrape the old wax, it'll add more for sealing





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Plus leaving the ring on doesnt hurt... but its just a piss pour way to do a repair. Would you add more glue to a piece of wood without scraping the old dry glue off? I wouldnt




yet you've only done it once and you've misconstrued everything said in
this thread about wax rings... quick lesson, thick rings are for
applications where the closet flange sits below the flooring surface,
standard rings are for applications where it rests on top, adding a new
ring to the old wax is a standard in repair because the wax is messy as
fuck and frankly, pretty nasty...

ok Mr. Apples and Oranges, lemme ask you a question about wood and
glue... would you wet your wood before you glue it up?


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12032431 - 02/15/10 07:27 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Wetting wood before gluing? yes. But it depends on the type of glue. Also...

Add some glue and rub it in then let it dry. THEN you can glue the pieces together.


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #12033207 - 02/15/10 11:17 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

OP,It most likely is.....the wax ring.You only need 1 new one it is more than enough to seal the toilet to the flange.I am a plumber......take my word,Remove the old ring,no tools are needed to remove the wax seal except a pair of disposable gloves to keep that mess of the porcelain toilet.The tail end of the trap under the toilet is only a few inches above the floor ,so keeping the old seal is unnecessary and when placing the toilet back on it it could cause the excessive wax to squeeze into the 3-4 inch ideal bend of the pipe causing either a clog or a partial clogg where all paper will build up around the wax , and eventaully back up on you.
  As long as you replace the ring w/ a new one ,whether you have a rubber washer or metal will not matter,when purchasing (closet bolts) to hold the toilet to the flange/floor,the bolts will come w/ metal washers,not rubber.
  Before r/r'ing (remove/reseal) toilet, flush toilet and get down on floof w/ flash light and watch the valve coming from wall/floor to toilet ,check the "flex" line(flexable pipe/hose going into bottom of tank) and if there is a valve at the floor/wall ,..check them for leaks while tank is filling up.
  Make sure if you have no shut off in the bathroom,that you shut off the main before disconnecting the flex line from the tank.
  If you have any questions , feel free to pm me anytime,I'd be happy to walk you through any problems plubing related.

BTW, wetting wood before gluing or setting compounds is used mostly w/ epoxy and or laying tile is just to keep the adheisive from setting/drying ,...giving more time to work with it.


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: 99BOOMERMAN]
    #12033236 - 02/15/10 11:22 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: 99BOOMERMAN]
    #12034028 - 02/15/10 01:37 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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I am a plumber......take my word,Remove the old ring




why make the additional mess

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BTW, wetting wood before gluing or setting compounds is used mostly w/ epoxy and or laying tile is just to keep the adheisive from setting/drying ,...giving more time to work with it.




some glues wont set without the moisture, wetting backerboard or
concrete before setting tiles can cause a failure of adhesion


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12034411 - 02/15/10 02:37 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #12034631 - 02/15/10 03:12 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

LOL, Pris can argue with a fence post.


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12036141 - 02/15/10 07:29 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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99BOOMERMAN said:
I am a plumber......take my word,Remove the old ring




why make the additional mess

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BTW, wetting wood before gluing or setting compounds is used mostly w/ epoxy and or laying tile is just to keep the adhesive from setting/drying ,...giving more time to work with it.




some glues wont set without the moisture, wetting backerboard or
concrete before setting tiles can cause a failure of adhesion




Why make the mess???Because that would take 30 seconds to remove ,and take away the great possibility that that protruding wax won't clog either the ideal bend ,or worse,if the toilet is located on a second floor or above:A clogged stack,then you 're gonna need a heavy duty power snake,lugged up to the bathroom to clear the line,and that's gonna cost a few bills,why chance it,"just to be lazy",......not worth it.

And I was referring to floor tile,and it is not a common practice,but in some cases,when laying large areas,this is a way to keep everything workable.That's why My comment was vague ,and I was simply stating a fact,not trying to argue or put you out,chillax pris.Not trying to argue penis size here,just giving  professional advice from an experienced plumbing/and drain cleaning specialist.

Also,It doesn't seem feesable that adding a little moisture to any mastics,morter,or even concrete is going to lead to definite failure ,when all of the above either contains or needs water added.Only In a severe case where a retard floods or puddles the material or work surface will it fail,otherwise I would imagine a longer cure/drying time will be imminent.


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: 99BOOMERMAN]
    #12036152 - 02/15/10 07:32 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: 99BOOMERMAN]
    #12036655 - 02/15/10 08:50 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Because that would take 30 seconds to remove ,and take away the great possibility that that protruding wax won't clog either the ideal bend ,or worse,if the toilet is located on a second floor or above:A clogged stack,then you 're gonna need a heavy duty power snake,lugged up to the bathroom to clear the line,and that's gonna cost a few bills,why chance it,"just to be lazy",......not worth it.




never once seen that problem, it takes a shitload of wax to clog a 3"
pipe, almost twice as much to clog a 4", far more than you'll get from
a wax ring



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And I was referring to floor tile,and it is not a common practice,but in some cases,when laying large areas,this is a way to keep everything workable.That's why My comment was vague ,and I was simply stating a fact




ok so something that wicks water quickly from both the surface and the
'mastic', what happens when the concrete releases that extra moisture
into an adhesive designed for dry locations...


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just giving  professional advice from an experienced plumbing/and drain cleaning specialist.

Also,It doesn't seem feesable that adding a little moisture to any mastics,morter,or even concrete is going to lead to definite failure,  when all of the above either contains or needs water added.




same here, I did plumbing prior to working with my pop, as mentioned he
had 50 years under his belt, also did concrete repair, restoration and
custom work which included tile, if thinset is too dry or too wet it's
going to fail, if mastic gets wet it fails


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12037895 - 02/16/10 01:11 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Pris, I don't wanna argue this small stuff,because we are both right in some aspects,and also wrong in others.
Like ,depending on what material is being applied,the consistency will vary,mastics or mud is mixed at different consistencies depending on whether it is adhered to a wall(thicker,like peanut butter),adhered to the floor it can be thinner ,but the water ratio is what increases or decreases.
Honestly pris,I didn't understand what you were saying about adhesive not working b/c of concrete putting out the extra moisture.Since when did concrete need adhesive.(I don't know if that is what you were getting at)
AS far as the wax clogging the 3 or 4 inch (minimum by code 3")line,Yes , it can and will.I was going to go back in my last response and add it ,cause I had a feeling you would challenge that,but it may not clog right then ,as many blockages start as paper catches on a partial obstruction and builds like a dam.Thus catching fecal matter and paper which compiles on the wax ,then dries becoming a tight wad,that constantly builds bigger and wets,and dries repeatedly until it is a killer hard spot in the line.Not to mention all the other things that are flushed,tampons,sanitary pads,applicators, and the worst right next to tampons ,....paper towels.,oh, and the calcium build up after years and years can be like bone,and cast iron scale.If we are talking stacks.I started at age 12 as drain cleaner,operating any kind of power snake you can name.My family is all plumbers and drain cleaners,cause my grand father owned the first of many companies that we now own.Each uncle went out independent,and my grand fathers co, was bigger than rotorooter is ,but back then 500,000.00 a year co.1960-80's,that was some good business.Also ,have my own customer base,as a result of my own co,which I had to pull away from due to major drug and alcohol issues,not on the job,but it had major repercussions on my capital and brand new truck payment.Going on 1 year next month if you care to hear.
  You do know a thing or two ...I will attest ,so let's just say we can both be of some assistance here,...how about that.
  I would like to know alittle about concrete laying.If I ever have any questions may I Hit you up pris????


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: 99BOOMERMAN]
    #12038522 - 02/16/10 07:13 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Regarding proper adhesive use I have one piece of advice.

READ THE FUCKING DIRECTIONS ON THE CONTAINER IT CAME IN!

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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12038547 - 02/16/10 07:27 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: memes]
    #12044962 - 02/17/10 05:03 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

A new wax ring never hurts, but in your case, I bet it's just condensation from the outside of the bowl.
If you ever want to know if there is a leak in your toilet, all you have to do is just be quiet and listen to it for a min. If there is a leak, you will hear it.


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Re: My toilet leakes? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #12045675 - 02/17/10 09:38 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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A new wax ring never hurts, but in your case, I bet it's just condensation from the outside of the bowl.
If you ever want to know if there is a leak in your toilet, all you have to do is just be quiet and listen to it for a min. If there is a leak, you will hear it.



This may work sometimes,.....not entirely true.With plumbing lines/and water,.....the water will leak from one place and end up end up in another.Water can and will follow the line to the lowest points or elbow,..then run down another pipe,or in that case , maybee down the bowl.Best way is to run the fixture while using you're eyes,not ears.Ears are a secondary sense in humans anyway. Just as a dog's primary sense is it's nose,ours is our eyes,then ears.
  But with a significant leak, sure you could hear it dripping/running off.


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