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Vitamin C + shrooms?
    #12005857 - 02/10/10 10:18 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Why do people on this site always talk about certian Mg of Vit C, and tripping. What does the Vit c do to the trip?

just curious


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: SporeMunky]
    #12005860 - 02/10/10 10:18 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Intensifies it.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: RazzleCap]
    #12005892 - 02/10/10 10:24 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Thats the rumor


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: pirateseatsouls]
    #12005906 - 02/10/10 10:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

rumor? idk if theres scientific evidence proving it does anything, but today i ate .3 grams and took 500mg vit c (i always say in mg cause i have pills from the health food store that are 500mg) and i had a pretty good trip in english class today


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: RazzleCap]
    #12005910 - 02/10/10 10:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I really do not think vitamin C does anything when tripping. I hear it intensifies the trip, but I also hear orange juice calms a person and helps alleviate a bad trip. Personally, I think it has to do with the person's beliefs around orange juice... The only thing I really know for sure is that mixing mushrooms in lemon juice makes it much more powerful. It lets your body absorb more of the active chemical.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: danlennon3]
    #12006002 - 02/10/10 10:40 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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I really do not think vitamin C does anything when tripping. I hear it intensifies the trip, but I also hear orange juice calms a person and helps alleviate a bad trip. Personally, I think it has to do with the person's beliefs around orange juice... The only thing I really know for sure is that mixing mushrooms in lemon juice makes it much more powerful. It lets your body absorb more of the active chemical.




you're contra contradicting to yourself.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: PFFFT]
    #12006026 - 02/10/10 10:42 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I think thats the point. Vitamin C is an anomaly


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: PFFFT]
    #12006033 - 02/10/10 10:43 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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you're contra contradicting to yourself.




I just don't think that drinking or taking vitamin C after you start tripping will do anything to effect the trip. Thats what I was trying to say.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: danlennon3]
    #12006946 - 02/11/10 01:57 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe it's just placebo?


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Kras]
    #12007229 - 02/11/10 04:59 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

but it works. and even if it's placebo i prefer eat shroomies with couple oranges or juice, etc.

I tried it once. Before I ate my shrooms(LC,about 70,don't know weight,but they was dried, in honey) I ate two oranges and right away that my shrooms. I've kicked in in about 20mins and had a very good 6h trip.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: PFFFT]
    #12007579 - 02/11/10 08:14 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Some one should make a poll for who has tried it and their experience.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: alex37211]
    #12007650 - 02/11/10 08:36 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I drank orange juice once and peaked like fucking crazy...and this is before I'd heard anything about vitamin c...BUT!! I also smoked a doobie which I feel I'd lend the peaking to the buds moreover than oj or Vit-c


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Kon-nect-id]
    #12007707 - 02/11/10 08:52 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

It's a dumb rumor started by dumbasses jumping to conclusions. Changes in blood sugar can be responsible for slight changes in mood. You know what else is in orange juice other than vitamin C? The change in mood from an insulin response is too subtle to notice normally, but is amplified during the psychedelic experience. That's what I feel cool telling people, anyways. It's probably just placebo. If I give you a hit of table salt and tell you it's DMT, your heart is goign to start beating faster and you're probably still going to feel a "rush" after taking a hit... you know????


Well, I don't know. Whatever.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: CMACD]
    #12007743 - 02/11/10 09:02 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

You know but you don't?

I would agree placebo has an effect...so why not lie and say vitamin c will make you skyrocket? Then we can all agree on possible bullshiite.

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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: pirateseatsouls]
    #12007841 - 02/11/10 09:23 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I think the point of lemon juice is about its Ph balance. The lemon juice absorbs/extracts more of the mushroom goodness. Being in liquid, your body then absorbs more, faster resulting in an more intense, though short acting trip.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: CMACD]
    #12008137 - 02/11/10 10:22 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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It's a dumb rumor started by dumbasses jumping to conclusions. Changes in blood sugar can be responsible for slight changes in mood. You know what else is in orange juice other than vitamin C? The change in mood from an insulin response is too subtle to notice normally, but is amplified during the psychedelic experience. That's what I feel cool telling people, anyways. It's probably just placebo. If I give you a hit of table salt and tell you it's DMT, your heart is goign to start beating faster and you're probably still going to feel a "rush" after taking a hit... you know????


Well, I don't know. Whatever.



you do realize you hallucinate when you smoke DMT....smoke table salt and tell me what happens.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: oh_you_know]
    #12008163 - 02/11/10 10:26 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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oh_you_know said:and i had a pretty good trip in english class today



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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: bardleyrichard]
    #12008217 - 02/11/10 10:36 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Vitamin C is an antioxidant. If a large enough amount was being absorbed alongside psilocybin, it would slow its oxidation into psilocin. Trip harder I dont know, but it would have some effect.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: bardleyrichard]
    #12008219 - 02/11/10 10:36 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

it was a good time! sometimes when i wasnt trying to write, i would just sit there staring at him while he just talked and talked lol i had adderall too so i was concentrating on random things.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: oh_you_know]
    #12008262 - 02/11/10 10:44 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Theres no reason vitamin C would do anything to a trip, its all rumors. I tried it, but it had no effect on the trip. I've met people who say they tripped face after eating a buch of vitamin C, but I bet a sugar pill would have done the same (placebo effect on top of real shrooms can be very strong).

Lemon tek doesn't make you trip harder due to vitamins, its because the acids start digesting the mushrooms before you eat them; this decreases the time it takes your stomach to digest them. If your stomach digests it faster, you get your dose all at once which means more intensity, less duration (which is what the lemon tek is supposed to do).


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: teeter]
    #12008287 - 02/11/10 10:48 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

so what if you powder a few grams and put it in lemon juice and in an air tight container, then let it sit there for an hour or two? would it only last like 3-4 hours? and just be intense as fuck


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: teeter]
    #12008330 - 02/11/10 10:54 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Even if it is a placebo effect I put full faith in the fact that my trip will be better, more intense and more enjoyable because of the vitamin C I've consumed.  I know fully well that there is no proof it helps, but I figure the placebo effect is quite the phenomenon so I may as well exploit it.  Believing with all your heart that something is true makes it true in your perspective, which is entirely controlled by your mind anyway.  I say dose up, vitamin C's good for the immune system anyway and is pretty darn safe even in large ammounts


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: oh_you_know]
    #12008426 - 02/11/10 11:13 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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It's a dumb rumor started by dumbasses jumping to conclusions. Changes in blood sugar can be responsible for slight changes in mood. You know what else is in orange juice other than vitamin C? The change in mood from an insulin response is too subtle to notice normally, but is amplified during the psychedelic experience. That's what I feel cool telling people, anyways. It's probably just placebo. If I give you a hit of table salt and tell you it's DMT, your heart is goign to start beating faster and you're probably still going to feel a "rush" after taking a hit... you know????


Well, I don't know. Whatever.



you do realize you hallucinate when you smoke DMT....smoke table salt and tell me what happens.



ugh, I didn't think you had to be a genius to understand the point I was trying to make, that placebos bring feelings..


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: CMACD]
    #12008450 - 02/11/10 11:18 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i understand that. but thats kinda extreme. if i give you a little square of paper and tell you its acid, are you gonna feel anything?


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: oh_you_know]
    #12008478 - 02/11/10 11:23 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

If I truly believe it's LSD, I'm probably going to feel different than I felt beforehand, and even if it's just nerves/anxiousness... and someone not quite educated about placebo may start thinking that they're feeling something off of the hit. Yes, my example was pretty extreme.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: CMACD]
    #12008524 - 02/11/10 11:32 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I already gave an explanation for why it would have an impact on the trip. This is something you would have to test out carefully though because of other factors like stomach contents, potency variation, tolerance, and the fact that no two trips are the same anyway.

The lemon tek is effective for more than one reason I believe.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Moo456]
    #12008751 - 02/11/10 12:30 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

for  a while i used to take vitamen c tablets but then i swaped over to drinking a glass or two of OJ
i feel like it makes some of the colors a lil more vibrant, particularly the yellows.
as to whatelse it does to the trip i havent tried to pay attention to that much. just stating what i notice


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Scudreloaded]
    #12010223 - 02/11/10 04:14 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Moo456 said:
Vitamin C is an antioxidant. If a large enough amount was being absorbed alongside psilocybin, it would slow its oxidation into psilocin. Trip harder I dont know, but it would have some effect.





No.

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for  a while i used to take vitamen c tablets but then i swaped over to drinking a glass or two of OJ
i feel like it makes some of the colors a lil more vibrant, particularly the yellows.
as to whatelse it does to the trip i havent tried to pay attention to that much. just stating what i notice





I do think acidic conditions help as teeter mention earlier.


I am currious to wonder if ingesting vit-c pills increase the acidity of a human stomach?

More acidic conditions = psilocybin converts to psilocin faster.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Shad0w]
    #12010324 - 02/11/10 04:33 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Care to offer a little more than just no? I think it would at least slow down psilocin from oxidizing into something non-psychoactive.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Moo456]
    #12010563 - 02/11/10 05:07 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe people thought they can substitute orange juice for a lemon tek, because they are both citrus.  Not knowing that it's the high acidity in the lemon juice that breaks down the psilocybin, they were misinformed, or just thought they were tripping harder due to o.j. being loaded with vitamin C.  It's like a big game of telephone.  :shrug:  Well, that's what I think.  Either way, the placebo effect is always a factor.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Moo456]
    #12010631 - 02/11/10 05:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Care to offer a little more than just no? I think it would at least slow down psilocin from oxidizing into something non-psychoactive.




Psilocybin is converted in your body to psilocin.

Psilocin is what gets your brain high.


Proof : Type 'psilocin' and 'psilocybin' into any search engine. Read at least the wikipedia entries.

  Could it stop psilocin from exiting the body faster, thus resulting in a longer lived , more intense high?

I dont know, maybe..... but the burden of proof is on you. :grin:



I dont know enough about chemistry to tell you for sure, But I do try to keep read up on the basics. :thumbup:

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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Shad0w]
    #12010648 - 02/11/10 05:22 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Well psilocybin is just as psychoactive. If you were to inject it, you wouldnt have to wait for it to convert to feel its effects.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Boozerguyzer]
    #12014891 - 02/12/10 10:24 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Even if it is a placebo effect I put full faith in the fact that my trip will be better, more intense and more enjoyable because of the vitamin C I've consumed.  I know fully well that there is no proof it helps, but I figure the placebo effect is quite the phenomenon so I may as well exploit it.  Believing with all your heart that something is true makes it true in your perspective, which is entirely controlled by your mind anyway.  I say dose up, vitamin C's good for the immune system anyway and is pretty darn safe even in large ammounts




This makes a lot of sense. Very well stated.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: alex37211]
    #12015813 - 02/12/10 01:40 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Even if it is a placebo effect I put full faith in the fact that my trip will be better, more intense and more enjoyable because of the vitamin C I've consumed.  I know fully well that there is no proof it helps, but I figure the placebo effect is quite the phenomenon so I may as well exploit it.  Believing with all your heart that something is true makes it true in your perspective, which is entirely controlled by your mind anyway.  I say dose up, vitamin C's good for the immune system anyway and is pretty darn safe even in large ammounts




This makes a lot of sense. Very well stated.



this is true; our perception truly determines our reality, our experience on a second to second basis. our mind is probably the most powerful tool we will ever have access too, but more often than not were taught by society to limit ourself with labels and social constructions to "fit in". i mean one example that i can think of is quite breathtaking if you think about it.

im sure that most of you would agree that the computer your looking at, the desk its on, the chair your on, the floor the chair's on, and every tangible object around us is solid. society has conditioned us to believe that this is the case, and that anyone who says anything different than this is wrong. but quantum physics tells us that about 99.99999 percent of all matter (including US and OUR BODIES) is empty space. going further, each atom that creates each object we perceive daily is vibrating at a certain frequency. we cant perceive this vibration though. this is because right after we were born, we were conditioned to live in society. we were told that colors have names, that objects have labels and are solid, and most importantly, that we are human beings living a spiritual life, and not the other way around.

the conclusion we must come to regarding these vibrations we are conditioned to not perceiving is that only when we look at objects do they appear solid. when we turn our backs on them, they return to their regular, quantum, vibrational state. only when we apply our values and labels on them by looking at them do they appear solid. we must never forget this because in doing this we return to a state of acceptance of mundane, limited thought, created by society. rather, question societys values and rules. create anarchy and go against the norm.

i learned the hard way that trying to fit in with everybody else is not the way to go. find your true self and follow it wherever it leads you. find your path, the one that you chose before you incarnated in this body, and you will be rewarded with spectacular examples of synchronicity. most importantly, know in your heart that you are infinite self; you are not a human being living a spiritual life, but rather a SPIRITUAL being living a HUMAN life.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: jw2234]
    #12055758 - 02/18/10 06:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Moo456]
    #12055798 - 02/18/10 06:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Vitamin C is an antioxidant. If a large enough amount was being absorbed alongside psilocybin, it would slow its oxidation into psilocin. Trip harder I dont know, but it would have some effect.





ascorbic acid's carbonyl gets protonated in the stomach, so it's not going to do anything for psilocin there.

convert psilocin to an ascorbate salt if you want to store it, but taking Vit. C with psilocin is pointless.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: piracetam]
    #12055809 - 02/18/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I'll take your word for it.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: alex37211]
    #12055816 - 02/18/10 06:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Some one should make a poll for who has tried it and their experience.




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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: The Psychonaut]
    #12055845 - 02/18/10 06:23 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

You know this rumon has been around for 10+ years.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: PureGrit]
    #12055901 - 02/18/10 06:32 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #12056380 - 02/18/10 07:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Vitamin C has great anti-oxidant properties and protects the relatively fragile psilocybin molecules from decomposing before the person consuming them has a chance to.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Patisotagami]
    #12056406 - 02/18/10 07:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

psilocybin is actually pretty stable.
you're thinking of psilocin, and as I already mentioned, it won't protect psilocin once they're both ingested.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: piracetam]
    #12056655 - 02/18/10 08:25 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. What he said.


lets try this again..


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Moo456]
    #12057622 - 02/18/10 11:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Vitamin C is an antioxidant. If a large enough amount was being absorbed alongside psilocybin, it would slow its oxidation into psilocin. Trip harder I dont know, but it would have some effect.




Nah, should be the other way around - psilocin oxidizes (makes that lovely blue color in tea) but psilocybin has to be dephosphorylized in the liver to become psilocin, which is active in the brain.

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I am currious to wonder if ingesting vit-c pills increase the acidity of a human stomach?




Your stomach has acid about the same pH as battery acid in a car...so no.

But generally:

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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #12057745 - 02/18/10 11:38 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I was just going by what Entropymancer said a while back. He disappeared a few weeks ago so he isnt here to explain.


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Re: Vitamin C + shrooms? [Re: Moo456]
    #12058062 - 02/19/10 01:18 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

well now i know
next time i feel like im going to try the lemon TeK
might aswell..just shrooms anyways.
but i still feel like i should take some vitamin c with every trip. shrooms prolly do a lil number on your body when there in ya still. the vitamin c could be used as so those levels don't drop when they get sweated out or what not.
sry...i've weighed myself the day after a few trips and sweated alotta body weight out for just sweating and pissing during the night.


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