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Offlinemorian
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: ticktock]
    #3209463 - 10/03/04 10:00 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Johnny is using a PMP (Poor Man's Pod) which is more normally reserved for cakes (Check out Magash's original posting for more about the pods). It takes care of the C02/O2 and humidity issues, heat is handled by an oil filled heater in the same room.

Here's an updated pic:



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Offlineganeshaa
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
    #3209674 - 10/03/04 01:17 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

those r real nice :crazy2:
wht strain r they ??


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
    #3209695 - 10/03/04 01:21 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Not bad. Specially for a first casing. GJ.


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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash:  I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers :whack:
Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
    #3210151 - 10/03/04 03:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

and the pmp reckons with co2 and humidity very well :smile:


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it [Re: morian]
    #3210862 - 10/03/04 06:46 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone else ever grated a cake with a cheese grater before?


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: qwon]
    #3211168 - 10/03/04 08:23 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

qwon said:
15 cakes is alot in my mind when i haven't read anything suggesting the like - but as i can see it is a badass route (from scats pics as well) - - 7 cakes of rye quart is 21 - 1/2 pints roughly. If the individual cake does well in fighting off contam...does this also suggest that contamination of such a casing would be even more difficult? - - i havent read anywhere to use so many cakes - so this is good news and maybe better news....
ps/ today my brfcake has my first 6.5 in. wonder on it - and 20 of the like.....





as i am reposting this here - it seems that it would be very improbable for a 'johnnie' the 'newbie' to produce on a very first casing such a serendipitous casing tray without having run through the long list of possible contamination points, experimenting in casing, different types of environments etc.
but hey -
hats off to 'Johnnie' the 'Newbie'

-quite envious


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Offlinemorian
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: qwon]
    #3211567 - 10/03/04 09:47 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Qwon, Johnny takes what you've said as a compliment but he does have some experience, he did his first ever five cakes last month and produced about 25 grams dry in two flushes (A third one is to come). He used the other half of the syringe to shoot into Karo and used that karo to shoot into 60 more cakes, about 55 of the cakes turned out, 15 of which went into this casing, the other 40 are hanging out in other PMPs, but the casing isn't exactly perfect, look at the big bald spot in the middle, what's the deal with that? And the whole cake has pulled away from the edge about 1/2" and since Johnny is using Amazons, the veils have broken on a bunch of the Mushies at about 3-4" and it looks like he might be getting something green growing on the casing, but this thing was done in a real hurry. Johnny is hoping next time to do better.

As for the cheese grater, one of Johnny's other friends thought of that, he dumped iso all over the grater and grated all of the cakes in a dirty kitchen, much to the surprise and horror of Johnny.

Johnny contributes his success to all of the info he's been getting (through me) from this board and he would like to thank everyone here.


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: morian]
    #3211650 - 10/03/04 10:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

just before harvest:


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OfflineMcMushrooms420
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: morian]
    #3212069 - 10/03/04 11:34 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Nice


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: qwon]
    #3212364 - 10/04/04 12:48 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well done Morian, how true that the mind of the wise useth knowledge aright. And worry not, the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness, and yet it comes to naught.
Hear counsel, and recive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end.

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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: morian]
    #3212381 - 10/04/04 12:54 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

The cheese grator has been used for a while with casing cakes. Works well as you can see.


Tell John that he needs to mist his casings while they are fruiting. That is why they pull away. They are using up the water content to produce fruits. They need more water to produce the fruits. When the casing gets dry, the fruits cannot produce anymore.


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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash:  I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers :whack:
Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

My final Grow!


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: Citric]
    #3212431 - 10/04/04 01:13 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup: :thumbup:


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Offlinemorian
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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: Citric]
    #3213194 - 10/04/04 09:55 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Citric, it seems that you're absolutely correct, Johnny only ended up with 66.4 grams out of that first flush, he was expecting more like 100 but he'll do a bunch of things different next time. The thing has been dunked in the fridge over night and is about to go back into the PMP. The casing doesn't seemed to have swelled up to its former glory, should he stuff fresh casing down the cracks on the sides?


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - [Re: morian]
    #3213598 - 10/04/04 12:12 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

There are no extra problems with contams. If you use all colonized stuff then it really wont contam. Casing layers have no nutrients so they wont contam. Keep things sterile and clean and you'll be find and theres no more risk to a larger casing dying then a smaller one.

The problem with contams in large casings lay in if it does get contamed you lose your only provider of mushrooms. If you make 6 casings and you lose one you still got 5 others, not so big a deal.

Critic definatly is correct. Keep them casings moist, very important. Dunking it just like you is what I do. Fill casing mix on the sides and throw a little on top to fill in the holes you made from harvesting. It won't swell and mine always shrink the same even though I keep them nice and moist. Well actually I think I rip alot of it off the sides getting the shrooms off the sides too (alot of my containers are clear).

Your second flush should be slightly bigger..I'd say closer to 80 grams..3rd more like 50, 4th more like 20 and from there I'd have some new ones made up and ready to replace it. Those numbers are a guess about rye and only a guess. Cakes could quite probably not hold as many nutrients for future flushes. Good luck though and that is a nice harvest! Had you made that into two casings I feel you wouldve gotten your 100 grams.

By the way, that big casing up there was the 5th casing I ever made and I made it only a few days after my first 4 were made and while they were still in the incubator before I had done anything successful. You can easily do a casing this large for your first one, it's absolutly no harder. I did it to see which produced more, surface area or thickness. Lets just say the 4 casings (total of 5 quarts) did more then the large casing with 7 jars. Surface area is better :smile:


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
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Offlinemorian
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flush2 (seven days later) [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3242854 - 10/11/04 12:30 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

flush2 (seven days later), 38 grams dry



Edited by morian (10/12/04 08:52 AM)


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Re: flush2 (seven days later) [Re: morian]
    #3242894 - 10/11/04 12:40 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Very impressive grow, ESPECIALLY for a first casing.

You gain the Jon_funk seal of approval!!

I can't quite see how there is 15 cakes fitted in there though,, especially with a casing layer too, Unless its very large and I can't judge the proportion because of the pic.

Well done,
Jonny


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Offlinemorian
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Re: flush2 (seven days later) [Re: jon_funk]
    #3242990 - 10/11/04 01:00 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Johnny has lost the offical grocery store dimensions but the pan is about 17"x13"x3.5" and the tallest mushrooms on there are about 5"


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OfflineGesus_Kryst
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Re: flush2 (seven days later) [Re: morian]
    #3249180 - 10/12/04 08:41 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Mirabile visu, thats some silly good first time work.
And remember to tell your fine friend, non omne quod nitet aurum est. Just if nothing else, to ease his spotless mind (ho tel mo tel h o l i d a y inn, if your girl acts up at the carnival, then you snatch her friend)


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Re: Newbie's first casing - with blue light pics - check it out [Re: morian]
    #12005095 - 02/10/10 08:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I was wondering how much coco coir you used in relation to the amount of substrate you used.

Was it a inch on bottom and a inch on top?


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