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Psilocybin health
    #11998987 - 02/10/10 12:23 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Can any of the experts here speak to the physical health effects of psilocybin? Any benefits? Adversities? Generally, most of what I hear on this is simply that it's not physically dangerous.  But something more definitive would be interesting for a change.


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: skullhuman]
    #11999200 - 02/10/10 12:57 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i heard it helps with depression and headaches.


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: Groomies]
    #12000606 - 02/10/10 09:48 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, psilocybin is being researched as a treatment for cluster headaches (www.clusterbusters.org) and as a treatment for OCD (try searching psilocybin research on www.maps.org).

Anecdotally, I've heard that when used wisely in a ritual context it can be remarkably cleansing psychically and, perhaps as a consequence, physically as a detoxifier. Something that allows you to explore your DNA and bodily energy matrix can in theory be used to treat any disease. It is a matter of technique.

As regards safe dose, a friend recently told me about a guy he'd met who told him about someone who had made an aqueous extraction of psilocybin active mushrooms. Not knowing how to dose with the powder he obtained, he decided to take a gram(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:crazy2: ) Several days later he came back with a different personality and has remained that way ever since, requiring regular visits to the mental health services team.

He (the guy my friend was talking to) then admitted it was in fact himself who had undergone this outlandish experiment (but in a strange way, it was valid for him to talk of someone else who took the mushroom extract...) On a postive note, he is still studying for a degree so his cognitive faculties haven't been completely wiped out.


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: Mr E Guest]
    #12001954 - 02/10/10 02:18 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

a gram? is that a typo?


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: solumvita]
    #12002160 - 02/10/10 02:47 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i believe he's talking about a gram of pure psilocybin not just a gram of mushrooms but the alkaliod


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: ripdbagdarr]
    #12010799 - 02/11/10 07:45 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Anecdotally and from personal experience, its therapuetic in terms of improving general mood/dysphoria. I wouldn't go as far to say as that it combats depression, because tripping is incredibly inconsistent and can take  you down different thought paths in a split second. You can go from euphoric to suicidal in seconds while on shrooms, so i wouldnt recommend it as a solution if one was suffering from chronic depression or experiencing severe acute depressional phases.


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: solumvita]
    #12010938 - 02/11/10 08:02 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

solumvita said:
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a gram? is that a typo?



To confirm, no typo. A gram of mushroom alkaloidal extract. Probably unpurified so containing a bit of fatty gubbins too. But still. Even 25mg of pure mushroom alkaloid can be pretty crazy, so let's make a guess at 20 times that for this fellow. Well, he survived. Or rather, someone came back from it! Pretty safe in terms of actual physical toxicity, I guess.


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: Mr E Guest]
    #12013525 - 02/12/10 02:35 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Well, anybody who would dose a gram of alkaloid extract without running any kind of baseline first had a screw or two loose, if you ask me...

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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #12014101 - 02/12/10 06:26 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, anybody who would dose a gram of alkaloid extract without running any kind of baseline first had a screw or two loose, if you ask me...

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It seems to have been a case of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. Knowing about extracting mushrooms without knowing how to deal with the resulting extract. Probably (we hope) not a science major. Or, as you say, already a few cards short of a birthday.


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: Groomies]
    #12034746 - 02/15/10 05:30 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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i heard it helps with depression and headaches.



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Coheed88 said:
Anecdotally and from personal experience, its therapuetic in terms of improving general mood/dysphoria. I wouldn't go as far to say as that it combats depression, because tripping is incredibly inconsistent and can take  you down different thought paths in a split second. You can go from euphoric to suicidal in seconds while on shrooms, so i wouldnt recommend it as a solution if one was suffering from chronic depression or experiencing severe acute depressional phases.




This pretty much covers it. Speaking scientifically, there has been very little research on the health effects of psilocybin for obvious reasons, and that is very unfortunate given its psychotherapeutic potential. Most of what we think we know is simply anecdotal.

The fact is, though, that psilocybin mushrooms have been used for tens of thousands of years by many different human cultures, and ill effects are virtually unheard of. It seems very unlikely that psilocybin is physically dangerous... unless you hurt yourself while under its effects or something.


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: Jabbawaya]
    #12035610 - 02/15/10 07:56 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Check the Psilocybe Medicine thread here and there is more - Yes, they are much more reliable in PHYSICAL medicine than in psychiatric medicine and when they purge bacteria out of you it's gone - ghosts of the mind is still being studied.
If you are interested for personal health you're there - if you're looking for someone else to put money into any study that takes some looking but yes, the OCD thing is not the only psilocybin work going on that isn't mostly smoke and mirrors.
Psych has a hard time because of the difference in people and the "set & setting" problems - physical has less variants and pathogens are pretty much the same i.e. One guy had a good trip one guy had a sad trip - neither had strep throat when the trip was through...
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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: curenado] * 1
    #12036205 - 02/15/10 09:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

heres an article about effects of psilocybin and LSD on cluster headaches

http://www.maps.org/w3pb/new/2006/2006_Sewell_22779_1.pdf

heres a study that found that psilocybin can have a very beneficial effect on the users mental health for more than a year after consumption

http://www.maps.org/w3pb/new/2008/2008_Griffiths_23042_1.pdf

using psychedelics as a cure for alcoholism

http://www.maps.org/w3pb/new/1998/1998_Mangini_22901_1.pdf

and treating OCD

http://www.maps.org/w3pb/new/2006/2006_Moreno_22868_1.pdf


hope that helps :thumbup:


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: MOPE]
    #12037332 - 02/16/10 01:00 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Infection, cancer, copd etc

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1581935/page/2/fpart/1/vc/1 - The Psilocybe Medicine Thread


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: curenado]
    #12053254 - 02/18/10 01:11 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I have a Tumor in my foot and advanced rhumatoid arthritis aswell as spina bifida, spinal sclerosis and 2 dislodged vertibrae! I have a patch down the road in the forestry, it takes me a while to walk there but after a couple of mushies(enough for a buzz) I can walk around for hours looking at nature and most of the pain is gone!
Probably cause Im wasted!lol


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: Ozpulse]
    #12053618 - 02/18/10 02:22 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's probably because we already know psybes are very effective in some types of pain management and yours fits the profile. :thumbup: I use them in diabetic neuralgia (neuropathy) because they work better than anything else for severe episodes....wasted is a pleasant side effect of your pain & cancer med.
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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: curenado]
    #12053644 - 02/18/10 02:26 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I just noticed this:

<<The fact is, though, that psilocybin mushrooms have been used for tens of thousands of years by many different human cultures, and ill effects are virtually unheard of. It seems very unlikely that psilocybin is physically dangerous... unless you hurt yourself while under its effects or something>>

...and those cultures used them for physical illness, not mental ones - yet psychological benefits are all that ever gets touted in modern times!
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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: curenado]
    #12054653 - 02/18/10 05:02 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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...and those cultures used them for physical illness, not mental ones - yet psychological benefits are all that ever gets touted in modern times!
:lol:




That's because there have been virtually no studies on the physical effects of psilocybin. I would love to see more research going into this but for the time being we're only left with anecdotal evidence. It may very well help with certain physical problems, we just don't know.


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: Mr E Guest]
    #12054700 - 02/18/10 05:08 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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a friend recently told me about a guy he'd met who told him about someone



I guess we all know someone like that... :lol:
That said, why is this topic in Advanced Mycology?


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: German Kahuna]
    #12055100 - 02/18/10 06:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

<<It may very well help with certain physical problems, we just don't know. >>

YES we do know - HAVE known. You're calling too many worthwhile people anecdotal - are you a John's Hopkins plant? :lol:
The US is as usual in denial and playing $ games - everything is anecdotal to you that doesn't come from John's Hopkins?
That's not science - that's being stupid on purpose.
Even US treatment centers have reported (so you could believe it - heh - that's sarcasm btw) but the U$ machine gets the dummies and weak minded like a mob (of dummies) and piddles in brainwashing for bucks - pathetic! Glad my private care people who pay for quality don't have to wait like your loved ones 'cause "We're pretending we don't know" :lol:  (Micheal Moore - stupid white men-esque there)

Oh - and BTW - why is this topic in advanced mycology???

And you're right dude - just let them donate and follow the pretty dead lights while the rest of the world has science and walks upright (heh - sorry - it really isn't funny it's embarassing for U.S.)


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Re: Psilocybin health [Re: curenado]
    #12055152 - 02/18/10 06:29 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Mod Edit: curenado, you are not a doctor. Your MD is a fake you printed up yourself. Stop representing yourself as a doctor or you will be banned from the Shroomery.


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