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how many bad trips you had
    #1199892 - 01/08/03 06:46 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I seemed to go through a spell where they were happening often,due to my own slack assed over indulgence of our sacred shrooms.
Now I got it together and prefer tripping on my own,I was just wondering as to how many bad trips other shroomers experienced , out of 10 trips do you think you would have a bad 1?


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1199908 - 01/08/03 06:54 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Never had a bad trip yet. Its all about the mindset, and I love shrooms to much to think a single bad thought when they're in my hands waiting to be eaten.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1199921 - 01/08/03 06:58 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

>Its all about the mindset

I agree. I nearly had a bad trip, but I managed to control it (i did not say I had a pleasant trip though...).
But it depends of your personnality and of your personnal history. You never know what to expect when you shroom. Be at ease with yourself, that's the best way to avoid bad trips.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: tomldp]
    #1199937 - 01/08/03 07:05 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

i have it under control now and can get myself corrected if i stray to unwanted pastures
there 1 wicked experience i would only wish on a few people


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: diggitydankman]
    #1199993 - 01/08/03 07:24 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Its all about the mindset..



True, but its also about the dosage. One night I ate about a tablespoon of high quality liquid, and my trip partner ate about 1/2 to 2/3 of that much. Hard to say, as we kept going back for more. Too too much anyway.
After a few hours, we had almost totally lost touch with reality when he started freaking out, totally out of his skull. Flipping out even. Wanted to go spread the word about finding the universal truth. Started whimpering. Spiraled out of control. I had to console him, ended up locking him in the bathroom. His trip was bad, and his reaction to it kind of tainted mine. I would have had more fun (albeit, terrifying fun) if he had just kept on the carpet where he was in the first fucking place.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Mister Black]
    #1200151 - 01/08/03 08:07 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

0 bad out of 100+ GREAT! . Thats with acid though. only had shrooms 3 times and the first trip wasn't very pleasent. Just confused with the thoughts that went through my head thats all. I wouldn't call it a bad trip just not a good one.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1200192 - 01/08/03 08:21 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

There is no bad trips. Every trip is a learning experience, whether it's scary or not. They are simply 'trips'. You shouldn't classify them as good or bad.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1200238 - 01/08/03 08:39 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Bad trip or unpleasant trip. I think theres a big difference - when you've had a proper bad trip you never fortget it. I have tripped 11 times and had one bad trip, 2 vaguely unpleasant trips (but not for the entire trip). I now only do it once a month.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1200250 - 01/08/03 08:46 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

My first and so far only level 5 on shrooms was a horrible trip, mostly because of a terrible trip setting. Even this awful trip ended good, checking out the beautiful kaleidoscope of visuals under a clear starry sky after arriving home from "Death Drive" hehe.

All of my other acid/shrooms experiences have been positive for the most part.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Organic]
    #1200333 - 01/08/03 09:22 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I have been lucky and have never had a bad trip. Ive tripped 6 times and all have been absolutely amazing. The majority of my trips are quite humerous too. Its true though, if you have a good mindset going into the trip and your thinking positively then your going to have a great trip.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1200343 - 01/08/03 09:26 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

only bad trip ive had was when me and 3 buddies were chillin up in my boys room. they werent tripping and started to drink vodka. eventually they got so sloppy drunk a friend hit himself in the face with a glass of vodka, which started my other buddy getting pissed because his mom was downstairs and if she came up, we were fucked...he flips the lights on and starts freaking...i was like "i need to get the fuck out" so i went outside and talked to myself and got it cooled, they got it cleaned up and everything back to normal, then we started watching Waking Life, but that experience doesnt belong in this thread =). whoa, ramble.
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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1200390 - 01/08/03 09:49 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Now I got it together and prefer tripping on my own,I was just wondering as to how many bad trips other shroomers experienced , out of 10 trips do you think you would have a bad 1?



I've done it 8 times, no bad trips yet. I think there's a extremely unlikely chance that it will ever happen because I only do it once every 1-2 months, and the conditions have to be perfect.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1200752 - 01/08/03 11:28 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I had one bad trip once, and I would not classify it as a general trip, because if it was, I will never touch a mind altering substance again. It was *bad*, and would not go away. I was considering drinking myself in to a stupor so I could go to sleep, but luckily, I couldn't get up without feeling sick.

Ever since, every trip has been slightly uncomfortable, because I keep feeling the need to go to the washroom, and looking back on that moment...


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1201700 - 01/08/03 03:55 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Why don't you guys keep some vitamin B3 or some benzos handy to rescue yourself from a possible bad trip.  You could have a small amount already crushed up in a bag so if you begin experiencing a bad trip you could dump it under your tongue and get back to happy land.  :grin: 


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: ShrewDigsby]
    #1201749 - 01/08/03 04:05 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

3g of mush at snoop dog.. with an maoi..(passion flower extract).. he was 3 hours late which didnt work out well.. :frown: :frown: :frown:X23,564  Learnd some leasons.. so it wasnt a total waste.. :smirk: 

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1202463 - 01/08/03 11:02 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I have tripped on acid probably 75+ times, and on mushrooms 30+. I have never had a bad trip. Well, I have had some bad experiences while on LSD, but I overcame them and learned from them. Never what you would call a "bad trip"
All my trips are good trips. It's all in the mindset..as someone said earlier.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1202833 - 01/09/03 02:18 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

None.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Shroomism]
    #1202978 - 01/09/03 03:44 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I must have tripped on shrooms about 35 times, 2 bad and a few unpleasant times.

One time I ended up in tears in my wife’s arm…….asshole….. when I think back and know what I know now it wont happen again,that was at the end of a bad trip , a good trip that went the bad route.

Another time I stood looking at the light switch not know ing whether to turn it off, I could not make my mind up over anything, that’s what I call an unpleasant 1.

Exact same mushrooms, grown at the exact same time, by the exact same method never give the exact same trip.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Loop_Theorist]
    #1203717 - 01/09/03 08:23 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

"I think there's a extremely unlikely chance that it will ever happen because I only do it once every 1-2 months, and the conditions have to be perfect ."
What??? The less you trip the more likely you'll have a bad trip since you don't know the chemical as well and you aren't used to the effects. Bad trips come out of nowhere from what I've heard. Not under the perfect conditions

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Loop_Theorist]
    #1203720 - 01/09/03 08:24 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

"KNOW THY SELF"

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1203769 - 01/09/03 08:45 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

the only time I've ever had a 'bad' time was on pyote
& it was cos I had been sitting down for a couple of hours then got up & downed 2 cups of tea on an empty stomach ( I had to go outside & puke )
but that was only for 1/2 minutes of an otherwise fantastic trip!
plus it made me go outside & look at the pretty lights in the sky

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1204375 - 01/09/03 01:28 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Im happy to say i havent had one bad trip ever..only good times


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Quick Blaze]
    #1204756 - 01/09/03 03:04 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

The only bad trips I have had are when I don't trip! A week ago I ate 50g of fresh ecuadors and got a bare level 1! And other similar experiences previously. This is definitely not a tolerance issue and I eat little before dosing. Does anybody else get this?

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1204943 - 01/09/03 03:54 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

maybe 2 not good one and only 1 bad.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: zeta]
    #1209921 - 01/11/03 03:56 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

hehehe yoou must be a fiend zeta..... 30-35 g fresh usually sea me giggling at gutters....

ive never had a bad un... just bad moments...... acid taught me that theyre only moments... and that i can fix em....


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: atoning_unifex]
    #1210082 - 01/11/03 04:51 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Bad trip...Would this be something like making realizations that you don't like and are very uncomfortable with?


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1210225 - 01/11/03 05:43 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I had a bad trip on 5hits of acid. It was terrible, I've never done acid ever since then. I've had 2 bad trips on shrooms they're easy to deal w/ UNLIKE ACID where you can't stop it without your mind FUCKING WITH YOU and showing no mercy.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1210912 - 01/12/03 12:03 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Was your wife tripping with you? I recently (new years eve) got drunk and decided with a friend to drive to a party in Wales from London. I ate 2g PR's - my mate was straight. 150 miles at 80mph tripping my nuts off - I was fine until the paranoia set in that my friend was patronising me (mind playing tricks on me). Anyway lesson that was learnt - Don't trip with someone who is'nt tripping.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1210946 - 01/12/03 12:17 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Never had a bad one :smile: even when i got attached by a rottwieller
i turned out funny :smile:

i alsways find the old addage of
Set and setting to be pretty true.

i.e Set = be some were you know well and feel happy
Setting= Be with people you know and are happy to be with

if you stick to these simple rules things go easyer imho

But i have been outside these rules and nearly lost it in a
tightly packed live sex show in amsterdam lol.
5 fresh shrooms,to much fake smoke,500 tightly packet
men and 2 people shagging on stage dont make for a
good set and setting :tongue: but felt fine when i fought my
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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: G a n j a]
    #1210961 - 01/12/03 12:28 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

:grin:  I've done that in the Banana Bar in the Dam!!!.  Tripping while some lady is lying on her back telling you to stick a banana in her.  I got very fixated by it - until the bouncers sussed that I was'nt just your normal drunk. 

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: mix_up]
    #1210966 - 01/12/03 12:31 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1211052 - 01/12/03 02:15 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I havent had a bad trip or I dont want to think of it as bad. ACtually I doubt about one, when I tripped alone on 2.4 grams and had a very intense trip, and after smoking weed I got  back home then thought some shitty things. For a little but I dont learn them you know they just pass. Only the good things I learn I remember.oh and this wasent learning this was stupid paranoia ganja thoughts for 10-20 minutes. So never had a bad one. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: mix_up]
    #1211396 - 01/12/03 07:42 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, I've been to the banana bar.  Had a show and it was very funny :smile: Wasn't tripping though, just stoned :smirk:


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1211514 - 01/12/03 08:46 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Define Bad Trip


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1223078 - 01/16/03 06:36 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

One time i ate some on this mountaintop in rural PA. It was real good... but for whatever reason, as I started tripping, I decided to leave (extremely foooolish). As I drove my spacecraft down off the mountain, I forgot to note which direction I was traveling or what roads I was on. Completely Lost. The maps I had were no longer maps, but swirling patterns of color and lines. Total Panic. Where was I? How long before I crashed my car and\or had a run-in with some kind of authority figures? I thought I'd be dead, insane, or in jail before the end of the whole thing. There was an overwhelming feeling of impending doom. Eventually pulled off at a dusty gas station along a busy road and spent the peak sitting in my car, waiting for it to end and my mind work well enough to get home. Very sick shit, but not the result of the mushroom being bad... but me being an idiot.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1223102 - 01/16/03 06:44 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

2 years ago I had a bad trip. Imagine goining on a trip while in the middle of a bout of depression? The Radiohead music, the 7 gravol I took to knock me out but didnt, crying. Since then I havent eaten another mushroom.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Strumpling]
    #1223366 - 01/16/03 09:06 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Annom]
    #1223559 - 01/16/03 10:28 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I've had 1 trip that left me crying.. but i dont consider it bad in the least bit.



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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Strumpling]
    #1223593 - 01/16/03 10:37 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Define Bad Trip




HOW CAN YOU NOT HAVE A BAD TRIP????

You'll know it when it happens, if it ever does.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Dilauded]
    #1224724 - 01/16/03 06:49 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

define it and I'll tell you if I've had one..


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Dilauded]
    #1224761 - 01/16/03 07:09 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

How CAN you have a bad trip?


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #1224763 - 01/16/03 07:10 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I have never had a bad trip, but more like "just freaked out". This has happened a few times, like one time I was on acid - my sly then-boyfriend decided to go to a 711 to get slushies for all of us, and when he came back I was downstairs (I think just wandering around admiring my house, lol) and he saw me alone through a window and came around to the back of the house and knocked on the door - I freaked out because I could only see his hand and I thought someone was breaking in.

And in december, my dad kind of ruined my trip when he came home and started yelling at me and shit, but I was totally out there. He knows I trip, but he'd never seen me tripping that crazy. Hes a pretty dramatic guy, and threw stuff and threw a glass of wine right across from my face and it hit the wall and broke. I started crying, and got hysterical about not being able to find my other sock, and kept yelling something about getting my friend to pick me up but it was like 2 in the morning. In the midst of that though, I was still tripping and enjoying the trip (in a twisted way). Never had a bad trip... at least not the whole 'acid-demons and objects turning into hell' sort of bad trip.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Lyena]
    #1224837 - 01/16/03 08:26 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I`ve luckily never had any bad experiences on any psychedelics.
I sometimes feel a little uneasy but never bad.
Even on the hardest experiences I normally only feel anxious.
I`ve never actually experienced any bad halucinations or anything.
It`s also alot about your mindset, stay positive and the experience will be positive.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #5201582 - 01/20/06 03:53 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

ive never had a bad trip... ive had bad parts in a bunch of my trips. but the bad hve never conquered the best of me and the rest of my trip


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: scotsman1]
    #26025964 - 05/31/19 09:36 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I most likely would. I used to enjoy mushrooms frequently when I was younger, never had a bad trip. Around 19ish I took some more mushrooms after a couple year break and had a bad trip and didn't completely sober up until a week went by and I got some sleep. Took some acid and other drugs was fine until a heroic dose of LSD and mescaline then I went psychotic and didn't sleep very much for 3 months. Turns out I was bipolar all along and I switched from type 2 to type 1 and symptoms got a lot worse so I haven't tripped since, but looking back it always made me manic so I would probably have a bad trip out of 10.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: thesickboy]
    #26026868 - 06/01/19 09:45 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

It's like a 20/80 for me bad to good but I dont have a bad trip the whole time when it is bad. The times I do have bad experience it can last about a half hour/ hour of fixating on something that I shouldn't be. In the situation I have a bad experience I try to move around or look at cool trees or bushes and try to nudge my way out of it. So I guess I can say when I have bad experiences I try focusing on something else as best as I can and eventually the high kicks in and I'll start laughing again and going about my experience happily. I also never trip alone that could be a big cause too or depending if the person you are with freaks you out when you are high can be a big factor.

I should also mention I've had bad experiences that have put me in a bad mood overall and just want the trip to end early because I'm just not in the mood to trip at that point. You'll master your use.

Once I had to go to cvs in the middle of nowhere to buy my girlfriend tampons on 3 grams. Felt like I was in a space ship and laughed the entire way in and out holding it so damn hard so It didnt look like i was laughing at the employee. Lol so try avoiding those situations too.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Mneeb] * 2
    #26027031 - 06/01/19 11:19 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

You want to know what a REALLY bad trip is like?Okay then...

Imagine yourself getting completely convinced that you're a butt of some elaborate cosmic joke,existence is pointless and whatever is pulling the strings to feel you this way is beyond your comprehension everything feels utterly hopeless,how can you trust anything when you can't even trust your own mind you're in your own personal hell until it ffinally wears off

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: oceanman]
    #26027243 - 06/01/19 02:04 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

4 guys each on 4 hits of very strong, dirty acid lost in a cave system. We had one flashlight and one book of matches. I had other bad trips but none with such sheer terror.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: InfraredRick]
    #26027263 - 06/01/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Never a bad trip. Some unpleasant moments but not often and far from enough to ruin an entire trip. I'd say about 99.9% of the time everything is just right

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: oceanman]
    #26027323 - 06/01/19 03:23 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

In case no one else noticed, this thread is over 16 years old......




But out of 250+ trips over the past 11+ years, I've had only 2 experience that I'd label "bad"....

.....long story, but each time it was mostly because I became a little "delusional" (tho to be honest, I don't firmly believe they were actually delusions lol, [says the delusional person lol])

Here's a trip report from one of those times>>>> First "bad time" after 9 years & 100+ trips




I've had quite a handful of other trips where, if other people where "me" and in my shoes during the trip, I'm sure other people would consider it a "bad trip"...but for me it was just part of working with psychedelics, something that comes with the territory.

For me...I consider a "bad trip" to be mostly when one is out of control/out of their mind, delusional, when the fight or flight response is pumping away with adrenaline...And/or when the setting is excruciatingly uncomfortable.....

....but dealing with past traumas, old bad memories coming up to the surface...internal, personal, or existential issues...those sorts of things, even if they're incredibly uncomfortable and painful to deal with and go through, those sorts of things I do not consider "bad" in anyway, I consider those sorts of things to be at the core of the psychedelic experience.








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You want to know what a REALLY bad trip is like?Okay then...

Imagine yourself getting completely convinced that you're a butt of some elaborate cosmic joke,existence is pointless and whatever is pulling the strings to feel you this way is beyond your comprehension everything feels utterly hopeless,how can you trust anything when you can't even trust your own mind you're in your own personal hell until it ffinally wears off







While I don't feel existence is pointless, and I don't feel I exist in my own personal hell, to me most of what you describe just sounds like aspects of an ordinary typical trip for me :shrug: .







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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: openmind]
    #26027346 - 06/01/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

In my mind, there aren't really bad trips or good trips, that is as an either/or type thing. The side effects of psychedelics can be at times pleasurable and at times not, and once we're talking about a good liftoff dose for your drug of choice you're going to run into the effects that most people like and the effects that most people don't.

For me, 'bad' trips are just the ones where you're faced with heavy realizations, delusional or real. That, or you plan poorly and end up tripping in a situation where you really shouldn't be tripping- confusing sober people by talking to them (leading to a goofy, dangerous feedback loop of confusion between both parties), getting into a bad situation, worrying about something in your life. But as far as 'normal' bad trips, with thought loops and breakthroughs and amnesia, I think it just takes a specific kind of person to navigate that place in the mind. It usually doesn't get 'bad' for me, per se, but it does get almost humorously confusing and shocking. I think 'weird trip' is more truthful than 'bad trip' for the most part, especially because qualifying things as good and bad starts to make less and less sense to the brain on acid and can lead you down some rabbit hole.

Exploration is good, weirdness is good. These are the characteristics that stand out in most people's 'bad' trips, so I think the term is a little bit shitty.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: openmind]
    #26027435 - 06/01/19 04:29 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Here's a trip report from one of those times>>>> First "bad time" after 9 years & 100+ trips





Man, I can relate to that. On my bigger trips that initial panic is always there but I've always managed to overcome it. I've had that paranoia creep up
after a few times though. Threw away all my cultivation stuff because of it once.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Asura]
    #26027596 - 06/01/19 06:04 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

1 true bad trip out of a few hundred trips. It was on black gooey degraded 4-aco-dmt


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26027737 - 06/01/19 07:37 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Never really have had a bad trip! My set and setting is usually always on point. Usually around nature, either on a hike or hammock hanging. Usually hike during the comeup and hang for the peak. Works out well that way, because the comeup is much different when you're walking around.

Last time though, I went to a state park and did some trails, and this park kind of leads into peoples backyards in a sense but they're cut off. Very rich neighborhood, houses are huge, yards are even bigger. Well as soon as I set my hammock up, laid down in it after taking my shoes off, I hear a lawnmower going off.. now this was so fucking annoying.

I laid there hoping it wasn't going to last long.. but fuck.. took me 40 mins until I finally said fuck it. But I was in such a bad mood after that. And I knew the mushrooms were just making it worse because I was so focused on my aggression forward that situation.

I kicked it eventually. But my peak sucked because of that damn lawnmower. And it wasn't one of those quite ones, this fucking thing was like a car. Extremely annoying.  All I wanted to do was spend my peak listening to the birds and the wind, after a long week of work.

Really got me in the feels. But, I'll be able to make up for it tomorrow!


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast] * 1
    #26027995 - 06/01/19 10:41 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

1 bad and 1 just didn’t have fun out of like two dozen


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Eatshroomsoften]
    #26028410 - 06/02/19 08:23 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

One bad trip so far, it broke joyously and disolved my ego conciously for the first time and then it was good. A happy rebirth, discovered unconditional love, know my self and body better.
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looking back on it the bag was a mix of cubes and pan cyans.

It was crazy, thought i was going to die but it was really an impending ego death. Dread, sheer terror, there was lightening in the sky, thunder.

My heart opened on the first dissolution, unconditional love, after that I willingly disolved my ego over and over happily. No more fear of death.

It felt like true initiation and I dont think its possible to have a bad trip after that.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: High Night Expanse]
    #26029006 - 06/02/19 03:28 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

There isn't such a thing called a "Bad trip" you experience discomfort from the spiritual energy that surrounds you. What the psychedelics do is tap your brain into that energy.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: CypressRage] * 1
    #26029126 - 06/02/19 05:11 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Not completely convinced about spiritual energy having anything to do with tripping.
I've had a couple of trips go sideways, ended up in hospital one time on acid and arrested another time on mushrooms. I'd call them bad. Several other difficult experiences have left me in a puddle on the floor grasping desperately for sanity. Much easier to integrate and recover from when you come to in the comfort of your own home. That's from hundreds of trips over a long time.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: CypressRage]
    #26029134 - 06/02/19 05:16 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

David Nichols stated that regardless of set there is a 10% chance of a uncomfortable experience.

Makes sense to me, people don't rock climb or jump out of perfectly good planes because it doesn't have it's risks and rewards. :justdontknow:

The first time I did mushrooms I had a blaring bright light constantly pulsating into the corner of my right eye closest to my ear for 80% of the time. I would say it was more annoying than bad. A total mind fuck, Like water torcher. Didnt do any indols for a good decade after that. :kimjong: 

I had to many bad trips after my wife passed so I have allot of practice and conditioning on how to recognize the beginning of it. It never really gets easier but the nature of the beast stays the same and familiar.

Anytime I get to the point of this is no fun, oh boy 5 more hours of this; I just give up and be like, fine, have your way, i'll just sit here and take it, do your worst. A few times I remember crawling around in the dark yelling at the universe, "Is that all you got because I'm not impressed!" (followed by a insane laughing session that is oddly close to the part in the beginning of darkside of the moon )

"All one can do when death comes smiling is to just smile back."

Unlike LSD, with mushrooms I find the first hour or two of discomfort is the toll I pay for crossing over to whatever it is and except it as the right of passage when it happens.
It just sucks, at the time, when it lasts the whole duration. :icecreamsadness:

Funny part is the next day I'm already counting the hours till day three to dive back in. :lmafo:

I have also noticed on mushrooms that redosing later than 2 hours in triggers a bad time so I quit doing that and just full dose at start. I also learned a cute method of  starting out with acid then take some shrooms 6 hours later to fill in the missing blanks, smooth out the visuals and add some humor.  :chesire:

I agree when Terrence mckenna's wife said mushrooms and ayahuasca are the masochists choice of psychedelics. Shit can go so wrong in the right way. :awesomenod:


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
    #26029157 - 06/02/19 05:26 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Every high dosed mushroom trip gets pretty intense and uncomfortable at times. Never had a difficult lsd trip though


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: CypressRage] * 2
    #26031503 - 06/04/19 12:45 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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There isn't such a thing called a "Bad trip"




This meme really needs to die. 

If we keep telling ourselves "there's no such thing as a bad trip" than we're deluding ourselves. 

You could say "there's no such thing as a bad mushroom" instead.

There are so many ways a trip could go bad--and they do--and just because you haven't had one doesn't mean they don't exist. 

And no, I'm not talking about challenging trips, either.  If you think that bad trips are actually challenging trips, you've never had a bad trip. 

Here's some signs of a bad trip:
-going to the hospital
-going to jail
-driving
-self-harm/suicide
-lasting HPPD

We should be making efforts to prevent bad trips and raise the chances of good ones, and to some extent, we do.  But we could do more.

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #26031912 - 06/04/19 07:25 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

This depends on what constitutes a bad trip. Yes, the things you listed are bad that can happen while tripping. I think the OP is talking about the trip its self.


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    #26031966 - 06/04/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I think if we start using "challenging trip" instead it would be beneficial. This fear of a bad trip is creating bad trips.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: The Mycologist] * 2
    #26032925 - 06/04/19 05:38 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I agree on a more stern note.
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Psychedelics amplify what is already there and there is nothing funny about not knowing who you are and being able to walk at the same time.

I would have been a 911'er on my first shroom trip if my older friend had not given me that silly look and told me to relax and breathe. Then carefully explained to me that I'm tripping on mushrooms and it's all in my head.
Then he said this happens buddy, we are all tripping balls, lay down and wait for a few more hours before making this worse on yourself.

I was nineteen, I didn't want to die and my evolutionary instincts were in full flight or fight when the answer was (just be still) (your tripping balls) thanks to my mushroom experienced friend being there.

If I was alone, with my own thoughts, my carnal instincts would have won me over to the police and hospital.

It is the mental stress of a challenging trip and underlying issues that breaks the camels back for many people.
A very good reason why people are vetted and ether denied or accepted for research studies.
As well as advised to have trip sitter especially on high doses or a new substance.
I thought I was a 90's psychonaut LSD casanova until my 1st mushroom experience and sternly understood the gravity of the substance and the risks there after.

It takes the smallest doses and a great trips to cause lasting HPPD.

Our own minds are our worst enemy's. Overconfidence is the undoing of many and our species; which why I say that the heaviest thing anyone will ever carry: is a thought.

If people are afraid of dying or in denial that they will die someday; they should seriously consider whether they should be taking these substances or not in the first place.

Whether it is a hallucination or not, you will be psychologically convinced that you are dieing. The next question is, are you going to be ok with that?

It's like saying, "yeah I could take a bear with a knife", then it really happens and turns out bears are far more stealthy, smelly and daunting up close and personal. 

This is the very reason these substances will probably never be freely available unsupervised like cannabis or alcohol.

Some people have mad skills at just, "wanting to have a good time", landing em jail sober as well. :justdontknow:

A psychotic break is a whole different ball of wax and it takes days to weeks to months to talk someone down from that trip.
It's not a indol trip, it's the real CIA FBI NSA following you trip. This is your biological body using everyone of its resources and knowledge you have obtained to SURVIVE AT ANY COST!!!!!

I had one while being up way to long on meth in my mid 20's and it is no fun being convinced that the whole world is against you. Then dealing with drug induced psychosis for 5 years thinking people are talking behind your back and still plotting.

Looking back, so naive of me,,,,

I would dare to say any of us in or forties can look back 20 years and think, that was voting?!?! Even 70 year olds call us still young and they do with good intention.

Don't think you are invincible just because you survived many battles. The universe has a good way of showing you how wrong you really are and then continue on with business as usual after it's done with you.

Get your sleep, take in your nourishment, and remember the heaviest thing you will carry in your whole life; is just one thought.

That is how fragile the mind is and even the strongest of minds has it's breaking point. It is not a question of if, but when  or more importantly, will you fully recover? :hug:


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
    #26033841 - 06/05/19 06:43 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I love the bear analogy.

Taking psychedelics can be like getting in a cold plunge where you have to deny natural reactions. For some it can be very difficult. Thats why alot of the times I recommend weed as a litmus test. If you can always handle your weed and stay relatively calm, then I would trust you with psychedelics alot more.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26033846 - 06/05/19 06:47 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

About 59.72


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    #26033866 - 06/05/19 07:01 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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    #26036176 - 06/06/19 10:23 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Ive never had a bad shroom trip but 20 years ago when i was a teenager lsd got me good a couple times. i dont mess with it anymore and havent since.
    had a bad time on shroomes once because my brother and sister in law started fighting like children while we where tripping and i couldnt get far enough away from them but we wont blame the boomers for that one lol

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    #26037200 - 06/06/19 08:08 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Strangely enough, my mushroom trips have become progressively more and more challenging (more than 50 in total, of varying dosages). I seem to have tapped into a "dark vein" of evil that I am working on converting into gold.

Shadow work is intense - our personal and collective evil is very real, and I seem compelled to explore it.

Thankfully I have managed to avoid what Erowid might label "train wrecks and trip disasters" e.g. going to the hospital/jail. I have had some minor police contact, one time while in an absolute ecstatic state - talk about a buzz kill! And plenty of times I have become paranoid that a train wreck might occur, e.g. vivid imaginings of my home burning down, police and firemen coming, me being absolutely bugged out. For me it is very useful to have a trip sitter who can reassure me that they will take care of any practical concerns. I heard Bill Richards (lead therapist in the John Hopkins psilocybin studies) speak about the value of a sitter: in order for your ego to relinquish control and allow you to die/be reborn, it helps to trust that there is still a functioning ego out there to watch over you.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #26037419 - 06/06/19 10:15 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

The mushrooms are probably sending you a message, you need to listen. That's why it's getting harder and darker. I had similar with DMT. I had to go away, do what I needed to do and sort my shit out. Then it was love and light again.


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    #26037559 - 06/07/19 12:56 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Shadow work is intense - our personal and collective evil is very real, and I seem compelled to explore it.




This is a really good way to put it. I always end up exploring my shadow whether i want to or not. My first trip caught me off gaurd and was showing me things i didnt want to see. But i got to a point in that trip where i could see the "edge" of my shadow and that really calmed me down. Idk If that makes any sense. I had the impression that yes, i am capable of being a warrior if need be, but i am not violent by nature and actually, genuinely care about people.. Even if i am a little bit fascinated by violence. Not that i ever doubted that, just wasnt really aware


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Northerner]
    #26038262 - 06/07/19 11:45 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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The mushrooms are probably sending you a message, you need to listen. That's why it's getting harder and darker. I had similar with DMT. I had to go away, do what I needed to do and sort my shit out. Then it was love and light again.




There is definitely truth to what you're saying. It's not that I don't experience love and light, but it seems as if in each and every trip, I must go through a portion of Hell and meet it with full awareness before the Mushroom allows me to return to the Light. If I avoid the darkness or try to force the trip to be enjoyable, I only seem to get stuck. Whereas in my earlier years of tripping, ecstasy seemed to come so much more effortlessly.

Do you mind if I ask what sort of shit you needed to sort out? For me, I have some powerful fear, guilt, and shame complexes that I'm peeling through layer by layer.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: HeadbandOG]
    #26038273 - 06/07/19 11:51 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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This is a really good way to put it. I always end up exploring my shadow whether i want to or not. My first trip caught me off gaurd and was showing me things i didnt want to see. But i got to a point in that trip where i could see the "edge" of my shadow and that really calmed me down. Idk If that makes any sense. I had the impression that yes, i am capable of being a warrior if need be, but i am not violent by nature and actually, genuinely care about people.. Even if i am a little bit fascinated by violence. Not that i ever doubted that, just wasnt really aware




I think I see what you mean - like being on the edge of the shadow is perhaps safer and more digestible than going to the heart of darkness and becoming overwhelmed...?

Speaking of being a warror, check out Robert Moore's book King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes of the Mature Masculine. As titled, the warrior is an essential aspect of our nature (for females, too). It has a mature aspect and then two shadow sides - the "weakling" and the "sadist" (two sides of the same coin). If you deny your warrior aspect you're in danger of falling prey to its shadow.


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #26038488 - 06/07/19 02:19 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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The mushrooms are probably sending you a message, you need to listen. That's why it's getting harder and darker. I had similar with DMT. I had to go away, do what I needed to do and sort my shit out. Then it was love and light again.




There is definitely truth to what you're saying. It's not that I don't experience love and light, but it seems as if in each and every trip, I must go through a portion of Hell and meet it with full awareness before the Mushroom allows me to return to the Light. If I avoid the darkness or try to force the trip to be enjoyable, I only seem to get stuck. Whereas in my earlier years of tripping, ecstasy seemed to come so much more effortlessly.

Do you mind if I ask what sort of shit you needed to sort out? For me, I have some powerful fear, guilt, and shame complexes that I'm peeling through layer by layer.



I had to sort out some addiction issues and the root causes of them, escapism and that sort of thing.

Things are better now though. 

Many people don't have their issues shoved in their faces the same way as psychedelic users do so it's much harder for them to look inside and see what is really going on. They can't see the trees for the forest. I hope you find healing brother and the courage you need to put your stuff to rest. :heart:

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    #26038752 - 06/07/19 04:59 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks Northerner, I appreciate that. I feel I am on the right track. I'm glad you've found some healing yourself!


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    #26038758 - 06/07/19 05:03 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

a lot.

I jumped in completely ignorant. The first card in the tarot, 0, the fool


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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: Blue Cthulhu]
    #26039077 - 06/07/19 08:32 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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...it seems as if in each and every trip, I must go through a portion of Hell and meet it with full awareness before the Mushroom allows me to return to the Light...

Whereas in my earlier years of tripping, ecstasy seemed to come so much more effortlessly.




I feel this.  A while ago, it was all laughter during the peak.  Now the peak is supremely introspective to an uncomfortable degree.

How often are you tripping?

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Re: how many bad trips you had [Re: PrimeNumber] * 1
    #26040988 - 06/08/19 11:28 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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...it seems as if in each and every trip, I must go through a portion of Hell and meet it with full awareness before the Mushroom allows me to return to the Light...

Whereas in my earlier years of tripping, ecstasy seemed to come so much more effortlessly.




I feel this.  A while ago, it was all laughter during the peak.  Now the peak is supremely introspective to an uncomfortable degree.

How often are you tripping?




My last heavy trip was on mushrooms about 10 months ago. That one unlocked a huge vortex of repressed emotions within me and I'm still processing it 10 months later. It also connected me deeply with the spider archetype. Since then, I've done a number of light to medium trips (about every 1-2 months), and in the past 2 months I've been using (surprisingly) salvia to really good effect - it is helping me to process and integrate my mushroom induced turmoil.


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