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Are shrooms now illegal in Amsterdam/Holland?
    #11992709 - 02/08/10 11:47 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Is there now a law that bans psychoactive mushrooms?


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Re: Are shrooms now illegal in Amsterdam? [Re: nickfreezerbag]
    #11992713 - 02/08/10 11:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Apparentally. I was talking to some Frenchies during my holiday who'd recently taken a trip to Amsterdam, and apparentally there's only one species that are legal these days. ("Not the potent ones")

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Re: Are shrooms now illegal in Amsterdam? [Re: Met]
    #11992721 - 02/08/10 11:51 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Apparentally. I was talking to some Frenchies during my holiday who'd recently taken a trip to Amsterdam, and apparentally there's only one species that are legal these days. ("Not the potent ones")





Are you serious? Thats pretty fucked up.


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Re: Are shrooms now illegal in Amsterdam? [Re: nickfreezerbag]
    #11992731 - 02/08/10 11:52 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, someone should find out what the legal ones are.

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Re: Are shrooms now illegal in Amsterdam? [Re: Met]
    #11992735 - 02/08/10 11:53 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, someone should find out what the legal ones are.

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I keep getting mixed/out-of-date info on it


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Re: Are shrooms now illegal in Amsterdam? [Re: nickfreezerbag]
    #11992746 - 02/08/10 11:56 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Perhaps the powers that be want to keep it on the d/l so they can keep reaping the rewards of masses of tourists.

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Re: Are shrooms now illegal in Amsterdam? [Re: Met]
    #11993311 - 02/09/10 03:39 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You can still buy sclerotia of different species there, they do not fit the definition of illegal psychoactive mushrooms in the NL law.

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Re: Are shrooms now illegal in Amsterdam? [Re: Jamo]
    #11993331 - 02/09/10 03:48 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

yes, sclerotia is still legal but all others are prohibited :mad: but you can still buy spore prints of other species :smile: With new year the Checz republic accepted a law on drugs that is very liberal, i think that you can carry on yourself for personal use like 15 g of MJ,1g of cocaine and so on ... and alongside that, they have great cuisine and beer :thumbup:

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Re: Are shrooms now illegal in Amsterdam? [Re: ricinus]
    #11993365 - 02/09/10 04:11 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)


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Re: Are shrooms now illegal in Amsterdam? [Re: koraks]
    #11993543 - 02/09/10 06:06 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well the dutch for years, have been getting pressure from the international community for their policies on drugs. It's mostly the UN causing their headache along with the European union. So they are quietly, and reasonably trying to control the drug tourism. It is sort of back firing though. Being that it is still illegal the shops have to obtain supplies illegally. It's in the supply chains that they have the most issue. Seem they are loath to give up the lucrative profits that the market has given them there.
If the US would legalize it would open up avenues for trade that would be legal. They would then feel more open to actual legalization. And you know they have one of the lowest drug use rates in Europe because of their liberal policies. This flies in the face of the rest of the worlds drug laws.
The Dutch are very conservative and when folks go over to visit and make asses of themselves it rubs them the wrong way. Increasingly folks have gone over, done a bunch of shrooms, and cause scenes. This is embarrassing to them. Dutch are funny they will be totally opposed to what you are doing and at the same time defend your right to be wrong. If you do get a chance to go over and enjoy Amsterdam take time to really visit the place and not just head to the coffee shops. It is a beautiful city and fun. Lots of things happening and very pedestrian. If you do that then you can understand why they are being kind of a stick in the mud lately over their drug issues. Closing the smart shops is going to send it underground and they know it, but it will be a blind eye if you behave and respect their right to be wrong.


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Re: Are shrooms now illegal in Amsterdam? [Re: winterone]
    #11993608 - 02/09/10 06:43 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Well the dutch for years, have been getting pressure from the international community for their policies on drugs. It's mostly the UN causing their headache along with the European union. So they are quietly, and reasonably trying to control the drug tourism.



International pressure is one factor, yes. But I'm not sure if that's the primary reason for the recent changes in legislation regarding psychoactive mushrooms. In fact, I think it has very little to do with it.

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It is sort of back firing though. Being that it is still illegal the shops have to obtain supplies illegally. It's in the supply chains that they have the most issue. Seem they are loath to give up the lucrative profits that the market has given them there.



This is mostly a problem related to the cannabis trade, as far as I know. The cannabis industry is of course many times bigger than psychedelic mushroom trade and it's a well-known fact in The Netherlands that the majority of the weed sold in has bars is the product of organized crime. In the past, there used to be lots of homegrowers with little or no connections to other ('real') criminal activities or entities. This has changed substantially (or, at least, our knowledge on the subject has increased substantially), and the trade in cannabis is now intertwined with other, more problematic criminal activities such as arms trade and illegal prostitution (including human trafficking).

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If the US would legalize it would open up avenues for trade that would be legal. They would then feel more open to actual legalization. And you know they have one of the lowest drug use rates in Europe because of their liberal policies. This flies in the face of the rest of the worlds drug laws.



I would like to see a plausible source for this line of reasoning. Yes, according to some sources, drug use statistics are lower in The Netherlands than in other countries with more spastic drug legislation. However, the causation that lax legislation has led to lower drug use (and abuse) is a doubtful one. Other factors are very hard to eliminate, I think.

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The Dutch are very conservative and when folks go over to visit and make asses of themselves it rubs them the wrong way. Increasingly folks have gone over, done a bunch of shrooms, and cause scenes. This is embarrassing to them.



Yes. What's mostly embarrassing is that the majority of incidents involving shroomers also involve the ingestion of other substances, mainly alcohol and amphetamines. Nevertheless, the current government, which is of a distinctly socialist/Christian signature, has identified shrooms as the primary culprit and therefor banned them altogether (or: tried to, but fucked it up, leaving e.g. the infamous truffle loophole open). I think the criminalization of shroom sales is not so much a result of international pressure or the desire to combat criminal organizations, but more the result of the combination of the retarded views of a select group of politicians and an increasingly more pronounced and widespread risk aversity.

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Dutch are funny they will be totally opposed to what you are doing and at the same time defend your right to be wrong.



Example: see this post :laugh:

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If you do get a chance to go over and enjoy Amsterdam take time to really visit the place and not just head to the coffee shops. It is a beautiful city and fun. Lots of things happening and very pedestrian. If you do that then you can understand why they are being kind of a stick in the mud lately over their drug issues.



Of course, a lot of it also has to do with the completely retarded and annoying behavior of many drug tourists. While not much of a problem in the rest of the country, Amsterdam is by now synonymous with stoned Spaniards having a lie-down on cycle paths, tripping Americans stumbling through rush hour traffic and insanely drunk Scotsmen causing all sorts of trouble. All in good fun, of course, but these utter retards spoil it for everyone.

If you want to enjoy a smoke without being bothered by law enforcement, and also while not bothering anyone yourself, please feel welcome in Amsterdam. If, on the other hand, you're looking to make an ass out of yourself, annoy the hell out of the people around you and stumble through the city bustle in a drunken-stoned stupor, please do everyone a favor and stay the fuck home.

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